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    The Brexit Thread

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    2 hours ago, antidote said:

    Yes, but it looks as though they’ve taken out the backstop part for the time being to get the other part through. 

    Some are calling it Theresa May withdrawal bill part 2.5.  

    Nope, they haven’t taken out the backstop, the withdrawal is being voted on tomorrow. It’s the political statement that’s being delayed. 

    Confused.com

    The Brexit Thread

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    9 minutes ago, aaid said:

    That seems to be the case but it looks like they're going to give it a go.  Mind you judging by the tone of the business motion it doesn't look like there's much chance of it getting through.

    May is only putting half of her bill through tomorrow, the withdrawal part. 

    The backstop part will come at a later date. 

    Confused?

    I’m very much so. 

    The Brexit Thread

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    1 hour ago, aaid said:

    SNP Votes on the indicative votes were as follows:

    Motion B - John Baron, No Deal - No
    Motion D - Nick Boles, Common Market 2.0 - Abstain
    Motion E = George Eustace, EFTA and EEA - No
    Motion J - Ken Clarke, Customs Union - Abstain
    Motion K - Jeremy Corbyn, Labour's alternative plan - Abstain
    Motion L - Joanna Cherry, Revocation to follow no deal - Aye
    Motion M - Margaret Beckett, Confimatory public vote - Aye 

    John McNally doesn't seem to have taken part in any of the votes so I wonder if he was ill and not present.  
     

    John McNally’s mother died a couple of days ago. 

    The Brexit Thread

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    5 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

    If and when Scotland vote for independence there will immediately be people trying to undermine the vote and it won’t take long before a people’s vote is called for, anyone associated with the SNP and independence should stay well clear of calls to overturn this vote, as you say it’s a gamble with few rewards but many negatives. 

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    The Brexit Thread

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    3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

    Unlike May she isnt scared of democracy

    I very much doubt if Scotland votes for Independence and Westminster deliberately makes it difficult to engineer another vote to reverse the decision she wouldnt be all for it

    My issue is that England voted for Brexit - The SNP should not be trying to reverse that

    Secondly a people's vote wont resolve the democratic deficit - it will still be a vote determined on how England votes

    English politicians tried to influence the Scottish vote in 2014 so there is no hypocrisy there either but i feel this is a dangerous gamble

    It could work in her favour but the odds are it could backfire

    For a start she has entrenched the majority of people in Scotland that voted leave when the way to win them over was to let them experience the clusterfuck of Brexit IMO

    The SNP have been trying to get special status for Scotland, like Northern Ireland is basically being offered, since the brexit vote was announced. 

     

     

    The Brexit Thread

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    6 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

    My mate has his own fish processing company, he had fergus ewing in past last week, and to say everyone is in a panic over a no deal is an understatement,The EUs asking for every health certificate to be signed by an EHO for every shipment, there’s only 2 between Fraserburgh and Peterhead, there is a real possibility of no shipment at all from the uk if the guillotine comes crashing down

    Believe it or not the Westminster government is in a panic too.  

     It’s all of Westminster’s making, they initially insisted on the backstop, now they want to change it once the eu agreed to it. 

    Maybe the Buchans can help your friends out hampden. 

    BBC Scotland

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    15 hours ago, Orraloon said:

    I don't think they will be spending much money on it. 

    Pretty sure it will be designed to fail. 

    £22 million by all accounts. 

    Looks like another weegie channel with tired weegie humour 😂😂😂

    i never watched it, I couldn’t be bothered to turn over the tv with the remote 🙄

    Jeremy Corbyn - fecked?

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    22 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

    Wanting to leave the EU without a deal is extreme right wing? 

    I think you know, as well as everyone else, that it is the extreme right wing, ukip in disguise, that’s driving a no deal brexit. 

    Its okay for the multi millionaires in the tory party to shuffle their cash overseas.

    What about us plebs!

    to answer your question: yes and we are talking about within the tory right wing government. 

    Jeremy Corbyn - fecked?

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    37 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

    He should never have been trying to "unite the Labour party". From day one, he should have been doing everything he could to boot out those Blairite Bawbags. It's only starting to happen now, but he has taken for too long over it. The party membership want him to get rid of these folk who are just Tories in disguise. 

     

    Hence where we are today. 

    We had a discussion a good few months back on both parties splitting and a new middle ground party emerging. 

    Exactly what is happening now. 

    Jeremy Corbyn - fecked?

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    13 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

    How are they doing that? 

    By not facing down the extreme right wing of the tory party. 

    There’s estimated around 70 no deal brexiteers, you could say the ukip wing, in the tory party and without getting into what the voters voted for, Im of the opinion that a lot of leave voters didn’t exactly know what they were letting themselves into with the eu. 

    David Cameron caved into the extreme right wing in his party just to try and save his party, effectively stopping ukip splitting the tory vote. 

    The Brexit Thread

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    10 minutes ago, Alan said:

    indyref 2 outside EU.  Vote for independence for

    €uro

    VAT on childrens clothing

    Giving powers away including farming and fishing

    Increased immigration

    Tens of millions to Brussels

    £10bn cuts according to Growth Commission

    What a campaign that will be.

    Alan’s fear is increasing. 

    So much wrong with his post about this scaremongering poster, but what struck me is “giving powers away including farming and fishing.”

    Alan’s quiet happy for Westminster to control over 90% of our powers, but not the eu having less than 10%.

    Of course he voted for a political party that gave away control of our fishing and farming over 50 years ago. I wonder how many times he voted to maintain this?

    immigration? Most immigrants want to stay in England and even with brexit England can’t stop immigration. 

    I could go on about his and the posters blazing hypocrisy.  

    Question Time Tonight

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    Coming soon on the new BBC Scotland channel.
    #BillyMitchellTVShows

    9.00 Sash In The Attic
    9.30 One Flute In The Grave
    10.00 March of the Day
    11.00 The Bigot Bang Theory 
    12.00 Embarrassing Proddies
    12.30 Orange Walking with Dinosaurs
    13.00 The Apprentice (Boys)
    14.00 Hello Hello....
    15.30 Law & Orange Order
    16.30 The Fresh Prince Of Larkhall 
    17. 00 Strictly Come Marching 
    18.00 Bellenders
    19.00 Bluenose Planet 
    19.30 The last Fleg
    20.00 Glaikit Attraction
    20.30 The Loyal Family 
    21.00 The Hun maidens tale.
    22.00 Orange Dwarf
    23. 00 The Walking Brain Dead

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    The Brexit Thread

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    45 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

    12% of our population are english, thats a lot of people who more than likely will vote no

    My problem is that there is more of them coming now and we’ll never be able to persuade enough of them to vote YES. 

    I remember about 20 years ago, while I was working offshore, I was having a conversation with a scouser on this very subject and he was aghast at my statement that people from other parts of the UK shouldn’t get a vote on a Scottish referendum for at least 5 years of actually staying in Scotland. 

    Seems I was correct in my fears. 

    Its something akin to Russians moving into the satellite states of the ussr and upsetting the ethnicity of that particular country, thus never giving them full independence. 

    The Brexit Thread

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    5 hours ago, The White Ceelo said:

    My only problem is if we moanage to achieve  independence will we be inundated with people looking for utopia.                               

    I fear we are getting that now with English people moving up to Scotland to get away from all the bad things down south, like high crime rates, influx of immigrants, NHS, as well as coming here for the more social friendly policies we have. 

    I’m hearing a lot of English accents nowadays.

    I was speaking to an English lady yesterday who moved up here from bury st Edmund area and she said that she loves it here the people are so much friendlier, etc. etc.

    Without getting into a long winded comment, from the conversation we had, I got the feeling that she voted no in our referendum. 

    Now that’s what I fear. 

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