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It’s interesting that there is two distinct separate sides of the debate here. But the thing is, how can anyone say his parents should have done this, that or the other, without having ever been in the same position as them? Until such a time you or I (and I sincerely hope it never happens) experience the same as this family, who’s to say we would have done any different? I know that were it my son, I’d fight tooth and nail for him.
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45 minutes ago, aaid said:
His mother doesn't know if he's brain damaged or not, Just repeating what she said in court edit: (actually come to think of it her exact quote was "he's not brain dead") I'm pretty sure it remains unsolved as to whether he has brain damage - there was some carry on with measuring Charlie's head which bizarrely never took place (although looking at photos his head does look to have grown along with his body). Thus therefore its unfair and incorrect to assume that he is brain damaged she's not in any position to make that judgement. Agreed - I'm pretty certain that remains unsolved , so nobody at all can make judgement
I can fully understand why she wants to think that and in her heart probably believes that. It doesn't mean she's right though. True
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1 minute ago, aaid said:
That's the whole point though isn't it. Since the kid was not able to communicate or show whether he was in pain or not - because of his age and more crucially because he's brain damaged and heavily medicated then no-one could say for 100% certain whether or not he was in pain. That includes the medical team at GOSH as well as the parents. At least they - GOSH - are able to do tests which give indications that he is suffering.
There comes a point when parents aren't acting in the best interests of children - and in this case its completely understandable, I think they genuinely believe what they believe and that their actions are completely benign - and at that point the courts have to step in, weigh up the evidence and make what in this case is a very difficult decision.
Don't think that is the case - his mother said in court on Monday that he isn't brain damaged. And even if he is brain damaged, he certainly wasn't when he first entered GOSH.
You're right though - what I highlighted is the crux of the thing. What I can't understand is, why side with killing him off when there was another option on the table. And furthermore, how can the parents' wishes / course of action be dismissed to such an extent that GOSH held him hostage for so long, that his muscles degenerated to the extent that anything other than switching off the life support became an impossibility.
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2 hours ago, aaid said:
I normally don't find much that I agree with Melanie Phillips on but there's little in this that I disagree with.
An excerpt from said article:
That is the most terrible point of all. Charlie may have been in pain and distress. That above all was the hospital’s fear; that above all weighed particularly heavily on the judge’s mind. If that was indeed so, then every day this case has dragged on has meant that this sick baby might have been caused yet more suffering.
Terrible piece of writing.
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8 minutes ago, thplinth said:
Reminds of this previous example... Had the parents arrested remember.
I personally think the hospital is well out of order here. The boy should have been treated before he degenerated to the point it would be a waste of time. The treatment would not have hurt him so why not try it. He was a not a 'sick child being experimented on' he was a dying child with a chance at a new treatment. I would go off my nut if I was the parent here. Doctors in the UK are way overreaching their authority in these cases.
It is the arrogance of Doctors, they think they know best. Why on earth not let them go 7 months ago or whenever. Are they frightened they would be proved wrong?
Spot on - I agree with every word.
Also seems that if anyone dare's to say a bad word against Great Ormond Street, they get battened down with a stick that has air of 'don't question this Great British Institution'
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Utterly heartbreaking
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I think that game was played in Poland if memory serves me correctly
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I have one home end ticket to sell. Pm if interested
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24 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said:
Are you some sort of god botherer?
Aye. Aye I am......
FFS...
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2 hours ago, Orraloon said:
Some very big advances in medical practice have come on the back of experimental treatments on people who were thought to be untreatable by any other methods. Some of those experiments, carried out decades ago, would by today's standards be thought of as "cruel" or "inhumane". A lot of those experiments just wouldn't be allowed to happen today. But they have undoubtedly helped in the treatment of future generations of people. This new technique might not help this particular child (or maybe it will?) but what they learn might help in the treatment of others in the future.
On the other hand, one thing the planet is not short of, is babies. About one third of a million of new ones are born every day. About 7 million children die every year from illnesses which should be regarded as "preventable". Of course we don't see the wee faces of those 7 million children plastered across the front pages of our newspapers every day. To me, the main point of this case is why does our main stream media focus so much on this one individual child when they could be doing so much more to help millions of others?
Regarding the last sentence - I think his parents are obviously quite 'social media savvy' and twitter has undoubtedly helped raise the profile of their plight. Given the circumstances who can blame them, and I'd readily do the same were it my son.
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14 minutes ago, Orraloon said:
Some very big advances in medical practice have come on the back of experimental treatments on people who were thought to be untreatable by any other methods. Some of those experiments, carried out decades ago, would by today's standards be thought of as "cruel" or "inhumane". A lot of those experiments just wouldn't be allowed to happen today. But they have undoubtedly helped in the treatment of future generations of people. This new technique might not help this particular child (or maybe it will?) but what they learn might help in the treatment of others in the future.
On the other hand, one thing the planet is not short of, is babies. About one third of a million of new ones are born every day. About 7 million children die every year from illnesses which should be regarded as "preventable". Of course we don't see the wee faces of those 7 million children plastered across the front pages of our newspapers every day. To me, the main point of this case is why does our main stream media focus so much on this one individual child when they could be doing so much more to help millions of others?
Unlike Eisgerwind an excellent post and good contribution to the debate
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1 hour ago, Eisegerwind said:
Yeah, i've just finished reading 'Current practice in surgical techniques for non fatal brain trauma' by Ian Brown (The Stone roses), had a lot of interesting views, not exactly his field but I'm sure given the chance he'd have lots more to contribute to the Charlie Gard situation. What about that guy that sang 'The drugs don't work', anyone know his views.
Point completely missed...
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6 hours ago, biffer said:
You see the point I'm making though. Emotive language is being used on one side of the argument, but if you asked most people, in a context where they weren't thinking of this child, if it was acceptable to send a sick child halfway round the world to be experimented on, a lot of the same people who are screaming about parents rights would be disgusted by the very idea.
Have a look at his wee face for a minute or so, as he is clutching his Thomas the Tank toy - could you really just walk up to the socket and switch it off?
Where there's life there's got to be hope (Ian Brown, The Stone Roses) and if there's a chance (upwards of 10% according to the NY doctor) of improvement surely it's worthwhile taking it?
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On 7/13/2017 at 7:23 AM, EddardStark said:
Rangers playing Sheffield Wednesday at Hillsborough on July 30th.
Nice wee opportunity for Rangers fans to lay a wreath of some sort perhaps?
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Aghast that in the U.K. in 2017 there's a courtroom battle where one party want to kill a wee baby.
Granted it's not as straightforward as that, but the money is there and there are willing doctors, surgeons etc. in USA and The Vatican, so I don't see what's to be gained by not giving it a go.
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9 minutes ago, GRBear said:
???
People in glass houses...
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On 7/5/2017 at 10:20 PM, Barney Rubble said:
Just spent the afternoon with a family from Glasgow, who are having a great time in Budva and who took time out to come up to Podgorica.
Currently there are so few flights from the UK. I believe Easyjet Manchester - Tivat is the only regular flight.
Montenegro is a great place. Love being here.
Ryanair do Stansted to Podgorica i think. (certainly did a few years ago as I went!)
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14 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:
What a pile of sh1te. Rangers cheated.
You may not like that, SFA may not like that but they cheated.
They shouldn't even have been demoted. They should have had to apply to rejoin as a new club.
They most definitely were not "demoted". They started again as a new club, and got huge 'leg-up' by the SFA by allowing the new club to participate in League 2 (bear in mind that wasn't even then lowest rung in the Scottish football ladder) without any audited accounts (2 years worth of which has always been required beforehand).
That said, I think most sensible football fans would agree that having no Rangers at all in the set up probably would have been bad for business and a bit daft (one can't deny they are a huge club) and thus the correct course of action was taken. But in no way were they "demoted"
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I'm going to have 2 extra for the home end for sale now if anyone wants them
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1714 away end tickets secured by the SFA - well done to them (for once!)
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1 hour ago, theweestevie said:
Krancjar didn't have a proper pre-season last year and was struggling for fitness. He was actually just getting match fit and was starting to hit a bit of form when he got injured. He has been working hard to get himself fit for the start of this season (i think he was training throuhgout the break so he could get fit) so hopefully he should be able to make an impact right from the start.
I think he will contribute much more than a goal later in the games that we are already winning. I think he will be involved in a lot of our goals as his ranges of passes will split open defences. The thing holding him back in this regard is other players not being meantally quick enough to read where the space is going to be and to get themselves into that space.
I think he also has the ability to get a goal from nothing, which will be important for games where we are struggling.
His talent is undoubted - but he's been injury prone throughout his career (hence why he's playing at the level he is) and every chance he'll out injured again sometime soon
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19 hours ago, bonzo said:
The sound was shit on the pitch ended up in the West stand where the sound got a whole lot better but I needed binoculars.
Stadium concerts summed up nicely
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See at the game tomorrow, can someone in the North Stand get a "We vote Tory more than you!!" song going
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1 hour ago, sbcmfc said:
Or Anybody but Nicola Sturgeon....
Ive commented before on what appears to be an irrational dislike of NS for no good reason other than (all she talks about is) independence and lego hair.
Yup - I think (tongue wedged fairly well in cheek) democracy is a bad thing. People who base their vote upon p!sh like that get the same vote as someone who studies through each party's manifesto with a fine tooth comb
Charlie Gard
in Anything Goes - Other topics not covered elsewhere
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And with that he's gone. Rest in peace Little Man.