stocky Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Now Mrs May is the new PM should we have a General election? The Tories were elected and everyone knew we Dave would step down and we would haave another PM before the next election, it has just happened a wee bit sooner. Now normally I am all for a General Election to get the Tories out , however in Scotland the SNP are bound to lose around 10 -20 seats and probably be replaced by the Tories, the Unionists wont be caught off guard again like they were in 2015, and we saw the Holyrude result. I believe a General Election will hinder Scotland's Independence. so therefore against my better judgement, to do the right thing, i dont want one. I am also campaigned and leafleted out. Nicola didnt go for an Election after Alex Resigned and neither did Broon after Bliar went.,... So i dont think May will risk it... The Tories can only lose seats to UKIP I think Thoughts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The SNP, who already hold virtually every seat in Scotland, have nothing to gain from a GE. Whether they would lose many though is highly debatable. While they're continuing to poll around 50% they're still going to win most FPTP seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mee Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 With fixed term parliament it requires 60% of MP's to call an early election. It's not in the conservative or labours interest to do this so no I can't see another election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 There should absolutely be a general election but there won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Maybe have an English one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Of course there should be. Compared to May 2015 we have a future that we didn't vote for, a leader that we didn't vote for and an increasingly unrepresentative political system in the UK that militates against Scotland's interests. Let's get to f*ck out of this union. It doesn't work for us and it doesn't represent Scotland's views either. And Ruth Davidson knows that's the case better that anyone. Edited July 11, 2016 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The snp would lose banff and buchan also moray straight off the bat,,, i think the snp would lose a dozen seats or more so no i dont think it would be good to have a GE just now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: The snp would lose banff and buchan also moray straight off the bat,,, i think the snp would lose a dozen seats or more so no i dont think it would be good to have a GE just now Proof for that ? "My mates think ..........." isn't good enough. And not in everyone in those areas is concerned with the fishing industry you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 hmmm, a GE would be a distraction. Can see why the Tories would find it attractive though. Labour are an absolute shambles. Could see a 50+ majority for the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Mee said: With fixed term parliament it requires 60% of MP's to call an early election. It's not in the conservative or labours interest to do this so no I can't see another election Aye. Only UKIP would gain from a snap election, maybe the LibDems. No way do Labour want one given their current shambles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Wikipedia has a breakdown of all the polls from many different providers: The SNP support is still going strong. Still no sign of a Lib Dem re-birth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 31 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Proof for that ? "My mates think ..........." isn't good enough. And not in everyone in those areas is concerned with the fishing industry you know. I have been in touch with Local councillors,my MSP and MP here is a response from one when i asked "Aye aye #### hows it going? just a quick message regarding the snp support in the area,, from where i am standing it seems to be collapsing due to the snp stance on returning to the EU,, we need to make this aware to our mp/msp as we will need to act fast if we are to hold this corner,,, have you witnessed the same reaction? his response "Yes getting the same message. Some politicians are burying their heads in the sand and do not see the change of mood. Strip out the votes to remain on the back of thinking this would deliver independence Scotland would have been out. All is good because a fishing leader is going to negotiate on behalf of the industry. The same one that steered the industry onto the rocks, in my opinion." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 minute ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I have been in touch with Local councillors,my MSP and MP here is a response from one when i asked "Aye aye #### hows it going? just a quick message regarding the snp support in the area,, from where i am standing it seems to be collapsing due to the snp stance on returning to the EU,, we need to make this aware to our mp/msp as we will need to act fast if we are to hold this corner,,, have you witnessed the same reaction? his response "Yes getting the same message. Some politicians are burying their heads in the sand and do not see the change of mood. Strip out the votes to remain on the back of thinking this would deliver independence Scotland would have been out. All is good because a fishing leader is going to negotiate on behalf of the industry. The same one that steered the industry onto the rocks, in my opinion." Wow that settles it then. A real scientific method employed ............ a couple of e-mails Nah, I'm not buying it. This is of course coming from the same guy who in the past has claimed that the Scottish Green Party are a dangerous radical movement that must be stopped Your up there with Cllr Terry Kelly in credibility mate. And watch what happens when you lose the many hard working Eastern Europeans in the canning industry in a couple of years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 8 hours ago, Toepoke said: Aye. Only UKIP would gain from a snap election, maybe the LibDems. No way do Labour want one given their current shambles... There's a big part of me that thinks that the PLP might be keen to force a GE just so that they can prove that Corbyn is unelectable. The only thing that makes me think that won't happen is that will mean that a load of them will lose their seats, either via reselection, or via the ballot box. They won't want to give up their cushy number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 13 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I have been in touch with Local councillors,my MSP and MP here is a response from one when i asked "Aye aye #### hows it going? just a quick message regarding the snp support in the area,, from where i am standing it seems to be collapsing due to the snp stance on returning to the EU,, we need to make this aware to our mp/msp as we will need to act fast if we are to hold this corner,,, have you witnessed the same reaction? his response "Yes getting the same message. Some politicians are burying their heads in the sand and do not see the change of mood. Strip out the votes to remain on the back of thinking this would deliver independence Scotland would have been out. All is good because a fishing leader is going to negotiate on behalf of the industry. The same one that steered the industry onto the rocks, in my opinion." you need to stop worrying here, the support fro the SNP will return once they see that Westminster has no intention of helping Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 21 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: Wow that settles it then. A real scientific method employed ............ a couple of e-mails Nah, I'm not buying it. This is of course coming from the same guy who in the past has claimed that the Scottish Green Party are a dangerous radical movement that must be stopped Your up there with Cllr Terry Kelly in credibility mate. And watch what happens when you lose the many hard working Eastern Europeans in the canning industry in a couple of years time. I said the green party were a bunch of hippy nutters never mention any of the above you stated,,i honestly hope i am wrong but it will either be close or the snp will lose banff and buchan,,, the will be a massive swing from the snp i can bet my house on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I said the green party were a bunch of hippy nutters never mention any of the above you stated,,i honestly hope i am wrong but it will either be close or the snp will lose banff and buchan,,, the will be a massive swing from the snp i can bet my house on it So with Brexit are the fishing fleet going to dredge the depths of the ocean again, pushing species to extinction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 If May has any sense she will call one Labour is going to have to deselect a lot of MPs Tory majority with UKIP wiping out Labour which she may not get in a couple of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 24 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: If May has any sense she will call one Labour is going to have to deselect a lot of MPs Tory majority with UKIP wiping out Labour which she may not get in a couple of years Get the logic. Just do not see it happening though await the labour contest first. Anyone got a timetable fir that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Looks like it will be anytime before conference in September which is a farce considering the political climate. The SNP should be placed as the official opposition in the interim to at least try to hold the Tories to account They have also changed the voting rules to put off poor people from voting in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: Looks like it will be anytime before conference in September which is a farce considering the political climate. The SNP should be placed as the official opposition in the interim to at least try to hold the Tories to account They have also changed the voting rules to put off poor people from voting in it Complete farce. Lets get out. ( do we need to take Alan? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 minute ago, mariokempes56 said: Complete farce. Lets get out. ( do we need to take Alan? ) I'm confident Alan will be a Yes voter come the next referendum Only a complete masochist will vote No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, sjd1972 said: So with Brexit are the fishing fleet going to dredge the depths of the ocean again, pushing species to extinction? What instead of the dutch, spanish or french?strange that they can fish parts of our waters that we can not,,,the scottish fleet is the most environmentally contious fleet in the EU and they are treated like shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 19 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: What instead of the dutch, spanish or french?strange that they can fish parts of our waters that we can not,,,the scottish fleet is the most environmentally contious fleet in the EU and they are treated like shit Nice whataboutery there. Take it you haven't read Graeme Goodall's letter to the National then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 hours ago, sjd1972 said: Nice whataboutery there. Take it you haven't read Graeme Goodall's letter to the National then? Yes i did,, fishermen are not blameless and have contributed to the industries demise,, there are three factors CFP, the quota system(should be nationalised) and the fishermen themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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