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25 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

No I think they realise whose voters they are after - fellow unionist voters who currently vote Tory. After last night and how badly Ross came across I could quite easily see Labour win more seats than the Tories but cannot see it impacting too much on the SNP. I know that in my constituency (Edinburgh Central) held by Tories recent polls predicted Tories holding with a wafer thin majority. Last night may have changed that.

I just cannot get my head round why people would switch from Tory to Labour and vice versa. I know that Labour have moved more  to the right over the last 20 years but their fundamentals are still poles apart. It can only be staunch unionists that would sell their soul to vote for any party at all in order to stop the SNP. 

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1 hour ago, slasher said:

I think that some of the 'red tory' jibes have finally resonated with SLab as well. Re his performance last night, I think we are all so used to seeing Labour leaders ill prepared and incompetent he caught us all a bit off guard. He had a good night for sure. 

I think last night was the first time in about ten years? that i saw Scottish Labour attack the Tories with vigour. Thet attacked the Tories more than the SNP

Are they finally seeing who the real enemy is and always has been.

Anas will do well after Indy .

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35 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I just cannot get my head round why people would switch from Tory to Labour and vice versa. I know that Labour have moved more  to the right over the last 20 years but their fundamentals are still poles apart. It can only be staunch unionists that would sell their soul to vote for any party at all in order to stop the SNP. 

I've always thought that there are two very distinct and different perspectives within the Labour support when it comes to support for the "Union".

One side - which is probably typified by the vast majority of their elected representatives is one which they themselves would describe as being Internationalist rather than Unionist.  They are generally in favour of greater international co-operation, the whole pooling and sharing concept and push federalism as a way of solving the problems of the UK.  

There is another side though - and this showed itself in the 2019 election in England - but we would be foolish to think doesn't exist to an extent in Scotland which is much more fundamentally Unionist and it is this section that Labour has lost to the Tories.   For these people, the immediate short term threat is the SNP and independence.  In 2019, in England, the immediate threat was Brexit not happening.

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12 hours ago, Lamia said:

To be honest you are a classic example of what is wrong with Alba and it’s backers. 
Most seem intent on doing everything they can to lose the party support. 
Quite a baffling tactic. 

Oh nearly missed this.

Top of the morning to you Lammers.

How's things going in these turbulent times in the sunny North East. 

My regards to the fashion pioneer of the mini-short. 

Hope all is well.

Ciao for now.

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20 hours ago, Orraloon said:

This sound like a more serious candidate although less folk will have heard of him.

https://www.strath.ac.uk/studywithus/postgraduateresearch/drjimwalker/

Although this is one of the first tings that comes up when I googled him. :lol:

"I have removed the tweet which was an inappropriate response to what I saw as mudslinging by the First Minister. To use today's term, I'm pretty mortified..."

It was just a mild insult aimed at NS & frankly nothing you would really take offence at.  I think related to her lack of any condemnation of the threats made to Joanna Cherry while bending over backwards to ingratiate herself to the wokeist nutters.  I follow him on twitter.  He's a Morton supporter.  He's sound.  I'm still an SNP member but if folk like Jim Walker are joining Alba, it gives them far more credibility than some of the nonentities that have been announced so far.

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I don't agree with everything she says but there is a very well written article on wings by a woman who left the SNP to join ALBA explaining why. She touches on a lot of the issues.

(For those of you who won't go there I'll copy it below.)

Why women want Alba

Posted on March 31, 2021 by Margaret Lynch

Margaret Lynch is a former director of the anti-poverty charity War On Want, a former volunteer with Glasgow Women’s Aid and Strathclyde Rape Crisis Centre, founded the SNP Women’s Pledge and was elected to the Policy Development Committee of the SNP by the party’s members four months ago.

I’ve been a political activist for all of my adult life, firstly in the Labour Party for almost 20 years and then in the SNP for the last 23 years, and all my core beliefs and values have remained pretty constant throughout that time.

I’m a left-of-centre democratic socialist, internationalist and feminist.

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A fair number of the folks that I was closest to in the Labour Party eventually ended up in the SNP – no real surprise, as we were labelled “Trot-Nats” by Brian Wilson when were in the Labour Party.

Unlike many Yessers I have the highest regard and respect for Brian – he is a values-driven politician and someone that I have always admired. The kind of country that Brian and I both want to live in would be remarkably similar. We just disagree about the route map of how to get there.

This is also true of my many friends who are currently choosing to remain in the SNP. There are really good and decent people who will stand with Nicola – notwithstanding recent events, I think that at heart, Nicola is a good and decent person herself. But my point of departure arose because of the conflation of a number of different factors all profoundly affecting politics in Scotland.

A critical problem has been the weakness of Labour and its inability to provide robust opposition to a government that has essentially held the reins of power too long. There is something about power which tends to affect the character of those who hold it. Any party which is in power unchallenged for 14 years develops a kind of political myopia which blinds it to the need to take account of its base and accommodate the views and opinions of the broader constituency which brought it to power in the first place.

Their leaderships tend to forget that internal debate is crucial to the formation of policy – and instead of welcoming constructive debate, they target those who voice dissent.

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When you then throw into the mix policy capture of the SNP leadership by an extreme transgender ideological faction which has driven government policy for the last few years, you get an administration acting to the great detriment of women and girls.

The inability of the SNP leadership to accept the simple distinction between sex and gender has led them into very troubled waters and has done real harm. It has led to vulnerable women in prisons being subjected to sexual assault by men who “identify” as women, to a local authority adopting a “gender neutral” approach to domestic violence which saw funding removed from Women’s Aid groups because they refused to admit men to refuges or work with perpetrators.

Lastly and perhaps most ludicrously it’s seen a situation arise where crossdressers – but not real women – are protected by a Hate Crimes Bill which omits misogyny from the list of prejudices it seeks to prohibit.

The response of the SNP leadership to those women who did try and constructively engage within the SNP around these issues was genuinely shocking. They stood by and watched prominent female SNP elected representatives be hounded and abused, and said nothing. They colluded in attempts to prevent the selection of gender critical candidates using all manner of chicanery.

And when a large number of us were elected by the grassroots membership to the NEC and various policy and conduct committees of the party last November, they just ignored us, snuck most of the rejected candidates back in through the back door, threw away the party rulebook and ploughed on regardless.

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All of this could have been avoided. We could have conducted a sensible and informed debate around the rights of transgender people and the rights of women, and come up with practical and reasonable solutions on how to accommodate both. But instead, lazy virtue-signalling and pandering to a tiny clique of a few dozen extremist gender ideologues among a party of tens of thousands of members was deemed to be more important than addressing the very real concerns of women.

The irony of Alex Salmond presenting a solution to our problems has not escaped me. Some feminists think this is a bridge too far. But what I know is that Alex Salmond’s political survival now depends on him demonstrating at all times and to all people that he can be trusted in women’s company and to defend women’s rights.

Nicola, who I have long admired and liked, has demonstrated over and over again that she CANNOT be trusted to defend women’s rights – and in fact would throw them under a bus in a heartbeat to gain the support of the fanatical youth wing of the party, and the Greens who appear to care less about the environment than they do about bedding down Queer Theory in Scotland’s political institutions.

What drew me to join Alba was the tactical opportunity it presented:

– to ensure that there’s a party which will protect women’s rights in Scotland, and provide a safe harbour for those of us who want independence to cast our votes in the coming election without betraying our sex.

– to act as a countermeasure to the malign forces which have propelled the SNP leadership towards an agenda which is dismantling women’s rights, to speak out on the matters which affect us, and to retain safe spaces and representation.

The electoral system in Scotland means that if I cast my second vote for the SNP it will likely either transfer to a candidate who will act against my interests as a woman, or enable the election of an MSP from a party that opposes independence.

Lesley Riddoch recently stated that using the second vote to prevent these outcomes felt like “gaming” to her. But the political system is the way it is, and if there is a means of approaching it tactically to advance and restore women’s rights then I’m up for using it, whatever you call it. The issues facing women and girls are too important for us to hold our noses and look the other way.

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My hope is that in the wake of these events, and hopefully with the election of some Alba members to the Scottish Parliament, that at last Nicola and the SNP leadership reach a point of humility and accept the need to collaborate with others who want to see an independent Scotland.

Hubris has been far too much in evidence of late, on all sides. Alba gives us a chance to move on. We need to get to a second independence referendum – so that we can then focus on the issues that really matter.

That’s not just the rights of women and girls, but also the crusade against poverty and inequality which to its credit the SNP has been tackling, but with one hand tied behind its back. I want an end to Universal Credit, to the hostile system for asylum seekers and refugees, to the underfunding of our public services and to Brexit.

So whilst my core values as a democratic socialist and feminist haven’t shifted much in 40 years, politically speaking I’ve become a serial monogamist. And as so many are saying, that’s not because I’ve left the SNP. It’s because the SNP left me.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/why-women-want-alba/

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13 hours ago, tartandon said:

It would have been much simpler if Mr Salmond had just faded into the background and let the SNP take forward the fight for independence.

How long do you think we should give them to do that?

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ohhhh just noticed... apparently in that third photo of the wokies - the smiling chappie leaning forward (6th from the front) is no other than Jordan Henderson, (the ex boyfriend of Alyn Smith SNP MP) and bully boy of Joanna Cherry (see Sun story above).

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The tranny army can gtf . They have reached the peak of their disruption though they will not go without a lot of shrieking. It has been a valiant attempt by the uk state to exploit a genuine need for equality by using deviant and mental conditions for their aim of preserving the United Kingdom of Westminster and London. 
Scotland, meaning the population thereof , has to own it’s Unionists . This fustercluck of a state is down to Scottish complicity, not annexation or invasion. 
I can’t think of a better name for the new Indy party . Alba puts Scotland first in the list of sovereign nation states globally 🌎👍🏻😊alphabetically 

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I am not familiar with the lady but apparently that is Dot Jessiman joined ALBA and running as a candidate. She'd been in the SNP since 1988 apparently.

An SNP councilor called Shahid Farooq as well.

 

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19 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

to me if we vote 50% of constituency votes a referendum cant be denied, that would be the strongest mandate we could get from these election, then a snp seat majority followed by indy party majority

 

folk need to be clever with their vote, ths snp 1/2 should be used in the borders, however the whole snp 1/2 doesn't add up everywhere,, i think closer to the time the snp will loosen up on the vote 1/2,, probably until after the candidates are announced for each region so no chance of say the Tories pulling their candidates... i always talk of 4D politics, is this what we are seeing?

 

HL, 

Just wondering what you think about Alba standing candidates in all 8 regions. I know you’re supporting of Salmond and the concept so this isn’t a dig. Just wondering what you think as I think initially you reckoned they wouldn’t stand in some regions. 
 

Got to be a real risk of splitting votes in places like south of Scotland. 

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Douglas Ross said on the debate he came out the Scottish Parliament and someone said they wanted to shoot him and someone else wanted a selfie with him. I reckon the guy who wanted the selfie just wanted him to stay still so the other guy could get a clear shot. 

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28 minutes ago, Och Aye said:

Douglas Ross said on the debate he came out the Scottish Parliament and someone said they wanted to shoot him and someone else wanted a selfie with him. I reckon the guy who wanted the selfie just wanted him to stay still so the other guy could get a clear shot. 

That story was definitely made up!

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So Alba are standing candidates in south Scotland. How does this maximise the independence vote. The SNP could pick up 4 seats on the list there. Alba will reduce this vote meaning less independence supporting MSP's.

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Just sneak this in before kick off. Another article on wings from a now ex SNP member giving a summary of why they are leaving the SNP.

Much like the previous article I don't agree with all of it but it is hard to disagree with most of it. Again very well written even if you don't agree.

To the National Secretary

Posted on March 31, 2021 by Morag Kerr

Dear Secretary,

I have supported independence for Scotland for as long as I can remember. I was never a party political animal, but immediately after the 1992 general election – that of the failed “Free by ’93” slogan – I joined the SNP since it was the only independence movement we had and I wanted to do something, anything, to help.

I was then living in the south of England and so joined London Branch. I served on the executive committee of that branch in various capacities for a number of years, was a conference delegate and spoke at both conference and national assembly. I also used holiday entitlement to travel to Scotland to help with several election campaigns.

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When I returned home to Scotland I joined Tweeddale Branch and again served on the executive committee, for a time as vice-convener. I took part in a great deal of campaigning both for elections and for the independence referendum, and in fact made myself ill during the summer of 2014, so hard was I working for a Yes vote. I also stood as the SNP candidate in the Tweeddale West council by-election in 2013.

During the first 25 years of my membership I made many friends and had many wonderful experiences. I never imagined for a moment that I would leave the party before independence day.

However the past four years have been an entirely different experience and that time has now come. I cannot remain a member of the SNP for the following reasons.

1. Lack of any progress towards independence since 2015, including the lack of preparation of the infrastructure that will be needed by an independent country.

2. Failure to capitalise on the very real opportunities which arose between 2016 and 2019 in the run-up to Brexit.

3. The explicit ruling-out of viable routes to independence, and the imposition of conditions which would stand in the way of viable routes to independence.

4. The insulting dangling of “vote SNP for a new indyref” when an election was at hand, followed by the inevitable kick into the long grass soon afterwards.

5. The lack of rebuttal of unionist attacks and talking-points, combined with currying favour with the unionist mainstream media while attacking and indeed monstering pro-independence online media. The donation of a substantial sum of public money to prop up the Unionist print press was absolutely inexplicable.

6. The fitting-up of Alex Salmond on false allegations of sexual assault intended to prevent his returning to politics to do something about points 1 to 5.

7. The obstruction of both inquiries into this affair by withholding and redacting incriminating documents on the completely false pretext that they would identify complainants to the public, and the blatant lies told under oath by Nicola Sturgeon in her appearance before the parliamentary inquiry.

8. The unshakeable determination of the party leaders to erase the meaning of womanhood by allowing males to self-identify as women, and the resulting destruction of all female single-sex spaces, protections and categories.

9. The appalling Hate Crime Bill which will criminalise simple disagreement if someone simply chooses to take offence at it, and the exclusion of women as a protected category while including men in drag on their way to a stag night.

(I can’t believe I’m even writing that, and Humza Yusuf’s sneering jibe that a woman would be protected in the event she were mistaken for a transwoman was simply the last straw.)

10. The failure to use our devolved powers to protect Scotland from the coronavirus, resulting in a death toll approaching 10,000, worse than Sweden on a per capita basis and indeed one of the worst in the world.

Instead we were treated to a repackaging of lethal Westminster strategies with better media presentation somehow causing it to be hailed as a triumph, despite absolutely nothing being done to reach zero COVID and the virus being allowed to re-enter and spread across the country in the autumn without hindrance.

11. The destruction of the SNP’s internal accountability to members resulting in corruption, cronyism and extreme partiality as to which interest groups are heard and which are consigned to the outer darkness. This goes hand in hand with the promotion of some absolutely appalling individuals who should never have been near the centre of power in any responsible political party.

12. The selective application of party disciplinary proceedings to expel members who were out of favour on flimsy, trumped-up grounds (including but not limited to Gareth Wardell), while ignoring the rafts of complaints about truly reprehensible behaviour by members who are the darlings of the leadership.

(The covering up of what appears to be genuine sexual misbehaviour on the part of a favoured MP is contrasted with the witch-hunt against Alex Salmond for such alleged crimes as touching someone’s knee or hair.)

13. The rewriting of the rules with the obvious express purpose of preventing Joanna Cherry from being considered as a candidate in the Holyrood election.

14. The pauchling of the list rankings resulting in candidates prepared to self-identify as disabled (on some very flimsy pretexts) being propelled to the head of the lists over the people the members actually voted for.

15. The apparent disappearance of around £600,000 in donations earmarked for a “ringfenced” independence campaign. Even if it is implausibly true that that money still exists and “will be spent in the next financial year”, that is a complete betrayal as the money was donated for use in an actual referendum campaign which is not going to happen in the next financial year.

It appears to me that the purpose this money has been and is still being put to is to continue to pay large salaries to high-ranking party employees including the First Minister’s husband.

16. The use of party funds to pay money that elected representatives and/or party officials had made themselves legally liable for, when there was no requirement for the party to meet these obligations on their behalf.

17. The obstruction of Martin Keatings’ court case to establish whether or not a Section 30 order is legally required in order to hold an independence referendum. The party should indeed have mounted this case itself, in 2016.

18. Lamentable performance on animal welfare issues including the backtracking on the tail docking of dogs and the failure to ban snares.

19. Lack of progress on land reform, and indeed an obvious bias in favour of big business, big landowners and right-wing interests in general.

20. Promotion of highly unsuitable sex education material to young children.

I have cancelled my direct debit to the party, and I would be grateful if you would remove my name from your membership records with immediate effect.

Yours truly,

Morag Graham Kerr, membership number 1128566.

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1 hour ago, AlfieMoon said:

 

HL, 

Just wondering what you think about Alba standing candidates in all 8 regions. I know you’re supporting of Salmond and the concept so this isn’t a dig. Just wondering what you think as I think initially you reckoned they wouldn’t stand in some regions. 
 

Got to be a real risk of splitting votes in places like south of Scotland. 

Yes I didn’t think they would stand in southern scotland, has that been announced? They should have avoided that and will end up counter productive 

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23 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Poor decision that

You are basing that on 2016.

In 2021 ALBA predict on current polling that the SNP will only get 1-2 regional MSPs across all 8 regions.

So it is not worth ALBA standing down anywhere.

The amount of wasted SNP regional votes required to just achieve 1 SNP regional M/SP is just stupid.

Sprinkle the same amount of voter over different independence soil and it yields two dozen M/SPs to the SNPs 1-2.

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5 minutes ago, thplinth said:

You are basing that on 2016.

In 2021 ALBA predict on current polling that the SNP will only get 1-2 regional MSPs across all 8 regions.

So it is not worth ALBA standing down anywhere.

The amount of wasted SNP regional votes required to just achieve 1 SNP regional M/SP is just stupid.

Sprinkle the same amount of voter over different independence soil and it yields two dozen M/SPs to the SNPs 1-2.

The national polling % doesn’t reflect localised battles. You know that. 
 

SNP simply won’t win the number of seats you’re taking about and one of the areas that they’re most likely to lose out is South of Scotland. 

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No I don't. 

Furthermore if we are being 'selfish for indy' Ian Lawson has re-run the 2016 voter numbers assuming all the SNP regional vote had gone to a hypothetical ALBA party.

In 2016 in the South of Scotland ALBA would have got 5 MSPs versus the SNP's 3 MSPs.

So on that basis should the SNP not stand down in South of Scotland and let ALBA have at it.

The SNP should clear the ring for ALBA on the regional vote.

Pound for pound ALBA are far more deadly to unionists on the regional vote than the SNP.

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These criticisms from ex SNP members are potentially very damaging. 

2 hours ago, thplinth said:

Just sneak this in before kick off. Another article on wings from a now ex SNP member giving a summary of why they are leaving the SNP.

Much like the previous article I don't agree with all of it but it is hard to disagree with most of it. Again very well written even if you don't agree.

To the National Secretary

Posted on March 31, 2021 by Morag Kerr

Dear Secretary,

I have supported independence for Scotland for as long as I can remember. I was never a party political animal, but immediately after the 1992 general election – that of the failed “Free by ’93” slogan – I joined the SNP since it was the only independence movement we had and I wanted to do something, anything, to help.

I was then living in the south of England and so joined London Branch. I served on the executive committee of that branch in various capacities for a number of years, was a conference delegate and spoke at both conference and national assembly. I also used holiday entitlement to travel to Scotland to help with several election campaigns.

westl.jpg

When I returned home to Scotland I joined Tweeddale Branch and again served on the executive committee, for a time as vice-convener. I took part in a great deal of campaigning both for elections and for the independence referendum, and in fact made myself ill during the summer of 2014, so hard was I working for a Yes vote. I also stood as the SNP candidate in the Tweeddale West council by-election in 2013.

During the first 25 years of my membership I made many friends and had many wonderful experiences. I never imagined for a moment that I would leave the party before independence day.

However the past four years have been an entirely different experience and that time has now come. I cannot remain a member of the SNP for the following reasons.

1. Lack of any progress towards independence since 2015, including the lack of preparation of the infrastructure that will be needed by an independent country.

2. Failure to capitalise on the very real opportunities which arose between 2016 and 2019 in the run-up to Brexit.

3. The explicit ruling-out of viable routes to independence, and the imposition of conditions which would stand in the way of viable routes to independence.

4. The insulting dangling of “vote SNP for a new indyref” when an election was at hand, followed by the inevitable kick into the long grass soon afterwards.

5. The lack of rebuttal of unionist attacks and talking-points, combined with currying favour with the unionist mainstream media while attacking and indeed monstering pro-independence online media. The donation of a substantial sum of public money to prop up the Unionist print press was absolutely inexplicable.

6. The fitting-up of Alex Salmond on false allegations of sexual assault intended to prevent his returning to politics to do something about points 1 to 5.

7. The obstruction of both inquiries into this affair by withholding and redacting incriminating documents on the completely false pretext that they would identify complainants to the public, and the blatant lies told under oath by Nicola Sturgeon in her appearance before the parliamentary inquiry.

8. The unshakeable determination of the party leaders to erase the meaning of womanhood by allowing males to self-identify as women, and the resulting destruction of all female single-sex spaces, protections and categories.

9. The appalling Hate Crime Bill which will criminalise simple disagreement if someone simply chooses to take offence at it, and the exclusion of women as a protected category while including men in drag on their way to a stag night.

(I can’t believe I’m even writing that, and Humza Yusuf’s sneering jibe that a woman would be protected in the event she were mistaken for a transwoman was simply the last straw.)

10. The failure to use our devolved powers to protect Scotland from the coronavirus, resulting in a death toll approaching 10,000, worse than Sweden on a per capita basis and indeed one of the worst in the world.

Instead we were treated to a repackaging of lethal Westminster strategies with better media presentation somehow causing it to be hailed as a triumph, despite absolutely nothing being done to reach zero COVID and the virus being allowed to re-enter and spread across the country in the autumn without hindrance.

11. The destruction of the SNP’s internal accountability to members resulting in corruption, cronyism and extreme partiality as to which interest groups are heard and which are consigned to the outer darkness. This goes hand in hand with the promotion of some absolutely appalling individuals who should never have been near the centre of power in any responsible political party.

12. The selective application of party disciplinary proceedings to expel members who were out of favour on flimsy, trumped-up grounds (including but not limited to Gareth Wardell), while ignoring the rafts of complaints about truly reprehensible behaviour by members who are the darlings of the leadership.

(The covering up of what appears to be genuine sexual misbehaviour on the part of a favoured MP is contrasted with the witch-hunt against Alex Salmond for such alleged crimes as touching someone’s knee or hair.)

13. The rewriting of the rules with the obvious express purpose of preventing Joanna Cherry from being considered as a candidate in the Holyrood election.

14. The pauchling of the list rankings resulting in candidates prepared to self-identify as disabled (on some very flimsy pretexts) being propelled to the head of the lists over the people the members actually voted for.

15. The apparent disappearance of around £600,000 in donations earmarked for a “ringfenced” independence campaign. Even if it is implausibly true that that money still exists and “will be spent in the next financial year”, that is a complete betrayal as the money was donated for use in an actual referendum campaign which is not going to happen in the next financial year.

It appears to me that the purpose this money has been and is still being put to is to continue to pay large salaries to high-ranking party employees including the First Minister’s husband.

16. The use of party funds to pay money that elected representatives and/or party officials had made themselves legally liable for, when there was no requirement for the party to meet these obligations on their behalf.

17. The obstruction of Martin Keatings’ court case to establish whether or not a Section 30 order is legally required in order to hold an independence referendum. The party should indeed have mounted this case itself, in 2016.

18. Lamentable performance on animal welfare issues including the backtracking on the tail docking of dogs and the failure to ban snares.

19. Lack of progress on land reform, and indeed an obvious bias in favour of big business, big landowners and right-wing interests in general.

20. Promotion of highly unsuitable sex education material to young children.

I have cancelled my direct debit to the party, and I would be grateful if you would remove my name from your membership records with immediate effect.

Yours truly,

Morag Graham Kerr, membership number 1128566.

Brutal. 

Good on her for speaking out. 

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