TDYER63 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 There is a letter in today's National about the Marshall Islands suing all 9 nuclear armed states at the Intl Criminal Court for their failure to implement the Non-proliferation Treaty which they signed on 1968. I have never heard of this which in itself isnt surprising however i cannot see any media attention to this and it seems to have moved to a fairly important stage. Does anyone know what the chances are of any degree of success ? This is one of the few things i found on it . http://m.greenpeace.org/international/en/high/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/marshall-islands-icj-nuclear-lawsuit/blog/55905/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 They'll go the same way as Diego Garcia, most of the nations won't even accept the ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 3 hours ago, phart said: They'll go the same way as Diego Garcia, most of the nations won't even accept the ruling. Can you expand a bit Phart ? To me, Diego Garcia sounds like another overpaid footballer. ? (though a quick google search confirms otherwise) Just pretend you are educating your 12,yr old daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Just pretend you are educating your 12,yr old daughter. no one will give a , they forcibly removed all the Chagossians for the US military base, nobody in power gives a , they can go to whatever court they want, the nations will just ignore the verdict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Chagossians_from_the_Chagos_Archipelago As Oxbrdige educated Denis Arthur Greenhill, Baron Greenhill of Harrow stated. " The object of the exercise is to get some rocks which will remain ours; there will be no indigenous population except seagulls who have not yet got a committee. Unfortunately, along with the seagulls go some few Tarzans and Man Fridays that are hopefully being wished on Mauritius. " someone else " The Colonial Office is at present considering the line to be taken in dealing with the existing inhabitants of the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT). They wish to avoid using the phrase 'permanent inhabitants' in relation to any of the islands in the territory because to recognise that there are any permanent inhabitants will imply that there is a population whose democratic rights will have to be safeguarded and which will therefore be deemed by the UN to come within its purlieu. The solution proposed is to issue them with documents making it clear that they are 'belongers' of Mauritius and the Seychelles and only temporary residents of BIOT. This devise, although rather transparent, would at least give us a defensible position to take up at the UN. " Anyway our head of state the Queen issued orders under royal perogative to over ride the court case saying they could return. Another example of the "benign" head of state we don't actually have. The High court over-ruled it though and called her action "repugnant". However the house of Lords over ruled that. The law means all, when the want it to mean all. Edited March 19, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 since all my F-words were removed it now ruins the context of my point. But aye watch the Pilger movie, it details the original actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 5 hours ago, phart said: since all my F-words were removed it now ruins the context of my point. But aye watch the Pilger movie, it details the original actions. I honeslty have no idea how you know all this stuff. I got the gist of what you were saying despite the removal of sweary words. The film filled in the blanks. With regards to the Marshall Islands i still dont understand why the anti nuclear groups arent making more of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 7 hours ago, brant grebner said: 'Make up the rules as we go along'. Isnt it reassuring that 50 years on things are so much more transparent... Right enough that film makes 'making a murderer' look like the Teletubbies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, TDYER63 said: I honeslty have no idea how you know all this stuff. I got the gist of what you were saying despite the removal of sweary words. The film filled in the blanks. With regards to the Marshall Islands i still dont understand why the anti nuclear groups arent making more of it. I've never actually watched that Film. Though i've read all about it online and knew about it. A lot of, if not all, protest groups are filled with agents of a government. Happens all the time. This is an example:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jul/20/police-spy-on-climate-activists-unlawful Loads and loads of these cases, in the US it is even worse. I'm sure other countries as well, controlled opposition is an old concept, This is all from just one group that got found out cause they made a mistake. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/22/undercover-police-cleared-sex-activists http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/21/police-spy-married-suspended-duty Edited March 21, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Thucydides the Historian of the Peloponnesian War says it best. "...since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." When speaking about the Athenian invasion of Melos. http://www.returnofkings.com/10535/the-strong-do-what-they-can-and-the-weak-suffer-what-they-must Edited March 21, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Found this:http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=81e01f026144a7a39810a239b&id=64c33ab70c&e=99cf486d1f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Good read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 On 3/20/2016 at 9:42 PM, TDYER63 said: I honeslty have no idea how you know all this stuff. 'phart' is a multi-lingual information gathering AI bot focused on myth-busting and truth-seeking. His computational skills perform at 33.86 petaflop per second. You'll find a 'phart' on most popular message boards worldwide. 'phart' in Japanese means 'can use Google'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 3 hours ago, OLAS said: 'phart' is a multi-lingual information gathering AI bot focused on myth-busting and truth-seeking. His computational skills perform at 33.86 petaflop per second. You'll find a 'phart' on most popular message boards worldwide. 'phart' in Japanese means 'can use Google'. To be fair to me, i was born at the end of the 70's in Falkirk as opposed to the 60's in the Indian Ocean so I have to rely on others to tell me what happened, same with the Athenian words during the Peloponnesian War to the Island of Melos, this happened in Greece in 2500 years ago. Again forcing me to read about it, as opposed to watching it happen. Reading and History a fool's game lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 19 hours ago, phart said: To be fair to me, i was born at the end of the 70's in Falkirk as opposed to the 60's in the Indian Ocean so I have to rely on others to tell me what happened, same with the Athenian words during the Peloponnesian War to the Island of Melos, this happened in Greece in 2500 years ago. Again forcing me to read about it, as opposed to watching it happen. Reading and History a fool's game lol Gutted. You have spoiled the illusion. And here's me thinking you were our very own TA time lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 23 hours ago, OLAS said: 'phart' is a multi-lingual information gathering AI bot focused on myth-busting and truth-seeking. His computational skills perform at 33.86 petaflop per second. You'll find a 'phart' on most popular message boards worldwide. 'phart' in Japanese means 'can use Google'. Well all I can say is 'hurrah' for all the pharts in the world . Trying to separate the wheat from the chaff on 345643267 google search engine results is an art in itself. That said, I wouldn't go back. I was born in the early 60's. I still have nightmares about my P5 homework. Try finding the names of '20 suspension bridges of the world' from one mouldy old Encyclopaedia Brittanica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 3/21/2016 at 8:00 AM, phart said: I've never actually watched that Film. Though i've read all about it online and knew about it. A lot of, if not all, protest groups are filled with agents of a government. Happens all the time. This is an example:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jul/20/police-spy-on-climate-activists-unlawful Loads and loads of these cases, in the US it is even worse. I'm sure other countries as well, controlled opposition is an old concept, This is all from just one group that got found out cause they made a mistake. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/22/undercover-police-cleared-sex-activists http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/21/police-spy-married-suspended-duty Another undercover cop caught out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43992692 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 3/19/2016 at 9:14 PM, phart said: no one will give a , they forcibly removed all the Chagossians for the US military base, nobody in power gives a , they can go to whatever court they want, the nations will just ignore the verdict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Chagossians_from_the_Chagos_Archipelago As Oxbrdige educated Denis Arthur Greenhill, Baron Greenhill of Harrow stated. " The object of the exercise is to get some rocks which will remain ours; there will be no indigenous population except seagulls who have not yet got a committee. Unfortunately, along with the seagulls go some few Tarzans and Man Fridays that are hopefully being wished on Mauritius. " someone else " The Colonial Office is at present considering the line to be taken in dealing with the existing inhabitants of the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT). They wish to avoid using the phrase 'permanent inhabitants' in relation to any of the islands in the territory because to recognise that there are any permanent inhabitants will imply that there is a population whose democratic rights will have to be safeguarded and which will therefore be deemed by the UN to come within its purlieu. The solution proposed is to issue them with documents making it clear that they are 'belongers' of Mauritius and the Seychelles and only temporary residents of BIOT. This devise, although rather transparent, would at least give us a defensible position to take up at the UN. " Anyway our head of state the Queen issued orders under royal perogative to over ride the court case saying they could return. Another example of the "benign" head of state we don't actually have. The High court over-ruled it though and called her action "repugnant". However the house of Lords over ruled that. The law means all, when the want it to mean all. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47358602 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just saw this thread but the first half hour or so of this John Pilger doc is very relevant to this thread. I had no idea just how horrific their treatment was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47358602 The UK Foreign Office said: "This is an advisory opinion, not a judgment." also Referencing that, the Foreign Office said: "The defence facilities on the British Indian Ocean Territory help to protect people here in Britain and around the world from terrorist threats, organised crime and piracy." Edited February 25, 2019 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, phart said: The UK Foreign Office said: "This is an advisory opinion, not a judgment." also Referencing that, the Foreign Office said: "The defence facilities on the British Indian Ocean Territory help to protect people here in Britain and around the world from terrorist threats, organised crime and piracy." Broad shoulders, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) On 5/3/2018 at 10:44 PM, phart said: Another undercover cop caught out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43992692 tonnes of them and how if affected the woman they dated while undercover https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47240670 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44072273 Edited March 6, 2019 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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