ErsatzThistle Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Disclaimer: If you want to moan about Houghton, Coyne, McGeady and McCarthy, please feck off to FollowFollow or Rangurzmeeja. If you want to moan about granny rule players in general, please start your own thread. Thank You Any players you know of that were eligible for Scotland down through the years but who were either not interested or the SFA didn't pursue them. Ones I found were....... Gabriel Agbonlahor - Scottish mother (also eligible for Nigeria) Phil Jageilka - Scottish grandparents (also eligible for Poland) Lee Hendrie - Scottish father Darren Anderton - Scottish father Craig Johnston - Scottish father (also eligible for South Africa and Australia) John Toshack - Scottish father Also, I'm only judging from their names but were sixties and seventies England internationals Bob McNab (Huddersfield and Arsenal), and forward Malcolm MacDonald (Newcastle and Arsenal), originally eligible at all for Scotland ? I'm aware of course that eligibility rules were much more stricter back then than they are today. Did Jonathan Gould qualify for Scotland through his mother or was it his father, Bobby Gould ? The latter was a journeyman forward (played for Coventry, Arsenal, Wolves and West Brom) during the sixties and seventies. Finally, it's often erroneously reported, usually by Chic Young and backed up by Berti Vogts - that Wayne Rooney had a Scottish grandmother and that he could have played for us. Rubbish. He had no Scottish grandmother. It was proven a few years back that all of Rooney's parents and grandparents are documented as having been born in Liverpool. He was never eligible for us. Edited February 19, 2016 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynze Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Michael Owen, matt le tiss I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Graeme Le Saux (British Passort, and open to anyone due to being born in Guernsey or Jersey ) Paul Scholes could have played for scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Not sure you're right about Rooney's family back to grandparents being English. His wee brother John has hawked himself to Ireland but they weren't interested. Pretty sure I read that Sebastian Coates has Scottish parents. Wasn't Steve McManaman eligible, or does he just sound it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazziessc Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Graham le saux, matt le tissier (channel islands born so could have had their pick) nacho novo Possibly John Barnes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazziessc Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, adamntg said: Not sure you're right about Rooney's family back to grandparents being English. His wee brother John has hawked himself to Ireland but they weren't interested. Pretty sure I read that Sebastian Coates has Scottish parents. Wasn't Steve McManaman eligible, or does he just sound it? Perhaps your confusing mcmanaman with Hargreaves, I'm sure their was something with him too? Or mibbi were both wrong....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, adamntg said: Not sure you're right about Rooney's family back to grandparents being English. His wee brother John has hawked himself to Ireland but they weren't interested. Pretty sure I read that Sebastian Coates has Scottish parents. Wasn't Steve McManaman eligible, or does he just sound it? I don't normally believe the Daily Record but in this instance their refutation looks quite convincing - especially when you consider how easy it is to get hold of the birth certificates of his grandparents. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-scotland-manager-berti-vogts-2360133#MDjRDTlLLYZ4F0Ka.97 He wasn't eligible for Scotland. John Rooney probably offered himself to Ireland without actually checking the necessary documents. Considering how thick many footballers are, I could believe it. Whilst they both definitely had ancestors from Ireland and might even have had possibly also one or two from Scotland, the Rooney's were only ever eligible for England. 4 minutes ago, Mazziessc said: Perhaps your confusing mcmanaman with Hargreaves, I'm sure their was something with him too? Or mibbi were both wrong....? Hargreaves played for Wales at youth level and then chucked them for England. Pwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazziessc Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: I don't normally believe the Daily Record but in this instance their refutation looks quite convincing - especially when you consider how easy it is to get hold of the birth certificates of his grandparents. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-scotland-manager-berti-vogts-2360133#MDjRDTlLLYZ4F0Ka.97 He wasn't eligible for Scotland. John Rooney probably offered himself to Ireland without actually checking the necessary documents. Considering how thick many footballers are, I could believe it. Whilst they both definitely had ancestors from Ireland and might even have had possibly also one or two from Scotland, the Rooney's were only ever eligible for England. Hargreaves played for Wales at youth level and then chucked them for England. Pwick. If memory serves he was also the most injury prone player in Europe! Looked up John Barnes, he was eligible as he came to Britain from Trinidad. Biggest laught is that Wikipedia have him as footballer/rapper lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I remember a news report (1998ish) about the real Ronaldo having a link to Scotland. They had some goofy guy on claiming to be his cousin or something Obviously complete bollocks but I've always remembered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just now, Mazziessc said: If memory serves he was also the most injury prone player in Europe! Looked up John Barnes, he was eligible as he came to Britain from Trinidad. Biggest laught is that Wikipedia have him as footballer/rapper lmao Beat me to it was going to say John Barnes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 could be a few players come through this next few years with all the overseas in scotland in 90's & 00's having kids born in scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Forgot to add Aberdeen born Stuart Holden who won twenty five caps for the USA. He looked a good player when he was at Bolton. Sadly, injuries have ruined his career and he announced his retirement a couple of weeks ago. Two from long ago that definitely should have played for Scotland, and what's more wanted to, were goalkeeper Gordon Marshall Snr (Hearts & Newcastle) and the goal machine that was Joe Baker (Hibs, Torino, Arsenal, Nott'm Forest & Sunderland). Both of Scots parentage but born in England. The rules of the day forbade them from playing for Scotland. Surely we'd have qualified for the 1962 and 1966 World Cups with Joe Baker and Denis Law up front ! Edited February 19, 2016 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McIlvenny Ed MIlvenny - Captained USA against England in 1950 Worl Cup when they beat England 1-0 (USA Manager was also Scotttish ) There was around 2-3 Scots playing against Scotland in the 1985 Work Cup Play off's - can't find names but Dave Mckinnon rings a bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Isn't Henrik Larsen's boy eligible? Although he's quite rightly chosen Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland1967 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Scott mcdonald scottish parents tim cahill could played for scotland scottish gran parents the irish tried get for 2002 world cup went on score crakers for everton and oz http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2002/1820871.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Dave Mitchell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mitchell_(footballer) Joe Watson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Watson_(Australian_footballer) Kenny Murphy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Murphy_(footballer) Robbie Dunn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Dunn All 4 played against Scotland in the 85 play off in at least 1 of the legs 2nd leg team below - great team GK 1 Jim Leighton DF 2 Richard Gough DF 5 Alex McLeish DF 6 Willie Miller DF 3 Maurice Malpas MF 8 Paul McStay MF 4 Graeme Souness (c) MF 10 Roy Aitken MF 11 Davie Cooper FW 7 David Speedie FW 9 Frank McAvennie Edited February 19, 2016 by euan2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Sebastian Coats Andy Carrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Sebastian Coats Andy Carrol He did play for Scotland ........... On my Football Manager 2008 game. Played him up front alongside Kenny Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Di Canio with the residency rule (if i remember correctly ) Michale Arteta as well with the residency rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal smith Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Did Berti not try and get David Johnson to play for us, scored a fair few goals for Ipswich but not sure if he was actually eligible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 46 minutes ago, hannibal smith said: Did Berti not try and get David Johnson to play for us, scored a fair few goals for Ipswich but not sure if he was actually eligible Somebody tried to get him on board but he wasnt eligible because he was Jamaican and his mum or dad was English it went against some agreement with the other 3 home nations. Something along those lines anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 56 minutes ago, euan2020 said: Di Canio with the residency rule (if i remember correctly ) Michale Arteta as well with the residency rule Berti wanted Big Amo and Didier Agathe Nacho Novo was flashing his drawers at us for a wee while was he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Somebody tried to get him on board but he wasnt eligible because he was Jamaican and his mum or dad was English it went against some agreement with the other 3 home nations. Something along those lines anyway It was Craig Broon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Johnson was eligible to play for any home nation because he had a British passport but no tie to one country over another, same as Barnes, Le Tissier and Le Saux. Then it turned out he'd been adopted and his birth mother was English, so he could only play for England (or Jamaica, which he did eventually I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Berti wanted Big Amo and Didier Agathe He wanted to get Alan Thompson too (before he was capped for England). Was there any cünt out there that Berti didn't try and sign up for Scotland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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