duncan II Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Is it a recent thing or have some folk always called them tor-tisses? Hardly anyone calls them tortoises now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's apparently a good indicator of a Scottish dialect. Up here they are tortoises (with an "oi") but in Englabd they're tortises with the stress on the "tor". Read that recently in a book about the development of the English language - "plum in your mouth" maybe? Anyway, I tested it out and found it to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Just tested it myself (thus confirming a popular view that I'm not quite right in the head). I think West Yorkshire dialect equalises (and 'flattens') both syllables...tor-toyse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny's Yard Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's apparently a good indicator of a Scottish dialect. Up here they are tortoises (with an "oi") but in Englabd they're tortises with the stress on the "tor". Read that recently in a book about the development of the English language - "plum in your mouth" maybe? Anyway, I tested it out and found it to be true. What was the book called, Adam? Recommended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 What was the book called, Adam? Recommended? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plum-your-Mouth-Speaks-Volumes/dp/0007221339 I had the audio version, listened to it on long drives and it was pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Book also explains that Inverness has perhaps the clearest and most "correct" English as the language didn't arrive till quite late in the day and hasn't been mangled down the centuries as elsewhere. And it knocks on the head the idea that RP and BBC English are anything more than just another regional accent, and was imposed as "correct" by our colonial overlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) tortoise and porpoise for me as in TORTOYS not tortis and porpiss... Edited December 21, 2015 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 More Americanisms creeping in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) I remember years ago a furore over an English text book for primary schools that had made its way up here. There was an exercise where you had a load of pictures of assorted objects and you were to match the rhyming pictures. One of the pairs was a DOOR and a SAW!!! Edited December 21, 2015 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan II Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 I remember years ago a furore over an English text book for primary schools that had made its way up here. There was an exercise where you had a load of pictures of assorted objects and you were to match the rhyming pictures. One of the pairs was a DOOR and a SAW!!! Ha-ha, yeah that's another one. I was watching Only connect recently and they had things that were supposed homonyms and they sounded totally nothing like each other as we would pronounce them. Was similar to saw and door example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Book also explains that Inverness has perhaps the clearest and most "correct" English as the language didn't arrive till quite late in the day and hasn't been mangled down the centuries as elsewhere. And it knocks on the head the idea that RP and BBC English are anything more than just another regional accent, and was imposed as "correct" by our colonial overlords. You been to Inverness recently ? The local usage of "correct" English is disappearing rapidly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 You been to Inverness recently ? The local usage of "correct" English is disappearing rapidly Don' t shoot the messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 More Americanizms creeping in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The -izm thing that Americans do was actually correct when America was founded, it's just that English on this side of the Atlantic changed to -ism while the US didn't change. The lack of U in colour, vapour etc. is just bizarre though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McTeeko Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Uranus. It's 'your anus', NOT 'yoorinis'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm surprised. I always thought the difference was..... Scottish = Tortoys English = Tortiss Pretty sure I've never heard a Scot say tortiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Scrotum or bawbag ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm surprised. I always thought the difference was..... Scottish = Tortoys English = Tortiss Pretty sure I've never heard a Scot say tortiss. I think that's what we're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think that's what we're saying. Didn't Huddersfield say that in Yorkshire they say tortoys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Didn't Huddersfield say that in Yorkshire they say tortoys? I was just drafting a reply to that effect I'm surprised. I always thought the difference was..... Scottish = Tortoys English = Tortiss Pretty sure I've never heard a Scot say tortiss. I don't think it's that simple; in this part of England you'd definiely hear tor-toyce; tor-tiss or variants would be seen as a bit posh. But thinking about it, you might hear tor-tuss (silent middle 't') around Newcastle. I'm pretty sure you'd get a tor-toyse in Lancashire albeit with a different accent than the more erudite side of the Pennines. I just showed a couple of people hear a photo & asked & all straight away said tor-toyce. In my head I think of tortiss as just a bit posh, but that chip on my shoulder might be affecting my hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Terrapin or snapping turtle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The lack of U in colour, vapour etc. is just bizarre though. That's just a waste of a "u". There is no need for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) This has got me thinking..... .......is there literally no end to the complete and utter pointless $h1te we can talk about on this board? Incidentally, a potential anomaly.....would I be right in saying that absolutely no one would say porpiss as opposed to porpoys? Edited December 21, 2015 by Marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 No but I frequently shout something along the lines of pisspor at home matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan II Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 This has got me thinking..... .......is there literally no end to the complete and utter pointless $h1te we can talk about on this board? Incidentally, a potential anomaly.....would I be right in saying that absolutely no one would say porpiss as opposed to porpoys? Sure I've heard Porpiss from our southern friends. No idea how they get that pronunciation. As Huddersfield says, I don't think Northerners say that, think they're good porpoys folk, through and through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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