March For Indy, Kelvingrove Park, Glasgow Sat 24Th Oct

[AlfieMoon]

Why not just revert to the annual indy march in Edinburgh each year as previously rather than diluting things? Or alternate between cities.

Too many folk fighting for airtime if you ask me.

Who used to organise the annual event.

[neilly71]

There was never an annual event, there were two or three marches for Indy, very well organised by a guy called Jeff Duncan i think. This march is well attended and well organised so no bother.

socialists dont bother me, Im not one and not interested, but they can talk about it all they like.

[iainmac1]

Too much bitching from grown men and people boycotting or suspicious of this or that group. I agree that we need to wait till the time is right for another independence referendum but if we sit back then that time will never come.

I was in support of Yes Scotland continuing as a sort of pressure group or information source to keep putting out arguments about independence to keep it in people's conciseness. Also keeping a public profile and show of support through marches and rallies is good. But we can't have 2 a month by different groups with poor turnouts.

I would like to see 1 a year, probably around the referendum date, that would be where everyone pulls together in a show of support. Make it a big annual event.

The ones in Edinburgh were good and set around that idea but as usual the in fighting and bitching led to the 2014 one being cancelled and certain people taking a huff and not talking to this or that person. I had a long chat with the people involved to try and get it back on in July time, as I agreed with the SNP that the week before the referendum was a very bad time to hold the rally but to no avail. This in fighting and accusations and suspicions of certain groups is going to help kill the movement or at least lose the momentum and support it helped generate.

Edited October 23, 2015 by iainmac1

[thplinth]

The more I see of this the more obvious it becomes. The only sad cases pushing for a Yes2 now are the hanger on extreme socialists because it gave them a wee lease of life, it put some wind into their near deflated lungs. Now they are the ones desperately trying to get a new vote in a stupid time frame so they can get another quick fix to extend their rotten life some more. off and die you parasites.

[Flora MaDonald]

. This in fighting and accusations and suspicions of certain groups is going to help kill the movement or at least lose the momentum and support it helped generate.

This is exactly what I'm getting at. It's working already, and who could possibly be behind that?

[Squirrelhumper]

What's the aim of the rally?

Wave flags

[neilly71]

The March and rally are on regardless, if you want to come, great, if you want to come and not wave flags, that's great too.

The thread has gone pretty much the way anticipated, love the contributions from the usual dreary suspects and the tin foil hat wearer.

[iainmac1]

This is exactly what I'm getting at. It's working already, and who could possibly be behind that?

Um...you are! Without any evidence your trying to say that a group who have organised independence marches in the past are some sort of secret British government group. Laughable!

This is what is damaging the movement. Conspiracy theorists trying to shut down groups who are actually trying to do something.

I hear this stuff everyday. Boycott this group, don't trust that one. There was even a guy trying to get people to boycott the Yes Bar but he didn't actually know why.

[the_burger]

If they want an indy march then good on them. FFS if we are worried about people being put off indy by this type of gesture then the whole gig is ####ed.

[Auld_Reekie]

My 2 cents. The recurring rallies and matches are a major cringe. There needs to be more depth to our campaign. It's a major turn off for No voters and many Yes supporters. Achieves nothing but bad press and feeling.

[bonzo]

Can't make it. I've made plans to abuse Mark McGhee tomorrow.

remember your only abusing him if you go in dry Edited October 24, 2015 by bonzo

[TartanJon]

Was the video of the nutter from The Scottish Resistance (pissin myself laughing at that name) from yesterday ?

[Squirrelhumper]

My 2 cents. The recurring rallies and matches are a major cringe. There needs to be more depth to our campaign. It's a major turn off for No voters and many Yes supporters. Achieves nothing but bad press and feeling.

Kinda sums up my view

[duncan II]

Wasn't there myself but have to say I'm disappointed in the negative reaction to it. Some have been using the word "cringeworthy" to describe it. Now, I wasn't there and perhaps it was, but I think for those to describe it thus from afar is a bit off. Surely its aim is to keep the objective of independence to the forefront of people's minds and to show that we're not going anywhere and won't settle for the status quo. I personally don't understand why this, people marching in support of a continuing goal of independence for their country, can be called cringeworthy. At least these people care enough to keep the drive going and to try to maintain the momentum. This belittling of their efforts is worrying as it may suggest a dwindling in support. (May do).

[Auld_Reekie]

Wasn't there myself but have to say I'm disappointed in the negative reaction to it. Some have been using the word "cringeworthy" to describe it. Now, I wasn't there and perhaps it was, but I think for those to describe it thus from afar is a bit off. Surely its aim is to keep the objective of independence to the forefront of people's minds and to show that we're not going anywhere and won't settle for the status quo. I personally don't understand why this, people marching in support of a continuing goal of independence for their country, can be called cringeworthy. At least these people care enough to keep the drive going and to try to maintain the momentum. This belittling of their efforts is worrying as it may suggest a dwindling in support. (May do).

Let me put it another way... if I find it cringeworthy and damaging to the Yes cause, you can absolutely bet that No voters do too. I know it because I have friends who voted No who feel this way, who look at stuff like this with contempt, and who read the newspapers and Twitter feeds of journalists, commentators and campaigners who cannot wait to maximise the negative publicity they can generate from marches like this and rallies organised by Orange Tommy.

If people want to show support for independence, to continue making the case, to continue campaigning, join the SNP or the Greeens, get educated and get on the doorstep.

[duncan II]

Let me put it another way... if I find it cringeworthy and damaging to the Yes cause, you can absolutely bet that No voters do too. I know it because I have friends who voted No who feel this way, who look at stuff like this with contempt, and who read the newspapers and Twitter feeds of journalists, commentators and campaigners who cannot wait to maximise the negative publicity they can generate from marches like this and rallies organised by Orange Tommy.

If people want to show support for independence, to continue making the case, to continue campaigning, join the SNP or the Greeens, get educated and get on the doorstep.

Fair enough, I get that. But many DO do as you suggest. I saw tweets from my home Yes group, Yes East Ayrshire, who were in attendance (or at least some of them were). This suggests that, far from uneducated Tommy hangers-on, there were very knowledgable people there who also go chapping doors as well, and who spent days and nights convincing people to vote yes during the official campaign period. But avenues to do positive work are much narrower now and I see no reason why people taking to the streets is necessarily cringe-inducing. It needn't be. I personally am a member of the SNP, respect a lot of the work of the Greens too, but find it a bit off that those who choose to support more radical groups are so easily written off. There seems to be an instant dismissal of them and denigrating them for being ignorant "Tommy-followers".

[neilly71]

Joining the SNP in itself does absolutely nothing. Ive been a member since 2004 and like a lot of people would have to be dragged physically to attend a branch meeting.

I do leafletting, canvassing and polling station duties. Im also not a one trick monkey and am capable of attending marches. How can we go door knocking on behalf of the SNP to drum up support for a second Referendum when the SNP themselves dont know when theyre going to call one?

This march was fairly well attended, coudlve been better but couldve been worse. No negative reactions that I could see, mostly smiling tourists and shoppers and the Indy biker guys are always a good draw. Nobody on foot was held up as they could cross through us at any time. However we are letting the people that see us and also the SNP know that we are pushing for another referendum and independence. The march didnt do any harm atall.

[Parklife]

Anything involving Tommy Sheridan will turn off more folk that it wins over. He's a cretinous man.

[aaid]

Let me put it another way... if I find it cringeworthy and damaging to the Yes cause, you can absolutely bet that No voters do too. I know it because I have friends who voted No who feel this way, who look at stuff like this with contempt, and who read the newspapers and Twitter feeds of journalists, commentators and campaigners who cannot wait to maximise the negative publicity they can generate from marches like this and rallies organised by Orange Tommy.

If people want to show support for independence, to continue making the case, to continue campaigning, join the SNP or the Greeens, get educated and get on the doorstep.

Marches and demonstrations are very unlikely to convince anyone who has an opposing view to change that, that's true whatever the cause is.

However, what they do do is to help the morale of activists and act to encourage people to keep working for whatever it is they are trying to change.

Its best to look at them in this context.

[neilly71]

Anything involving Tommy Sheridan will turn off more folk that it wins over. He's a cretinous man.

He wasnt involved, wasnt on the march at all. but he was there on Glasgow green chatting.

[Parklife]

He wasnt involved, wasnt on the march at all.

They should probably remove the "Solidarity" logo from the poster then. As Solidarity and Tommy Sheridan will be seen as the same thing by the majority of people.

[neilly71]

If they are (percieved that way) there's not much they can do about it, its probably one of their strongest points (not everyone hates Tommy).

Their logo is there, i believe, because its "All Under One Banner", all inclusive etc...

Edited October 26, 2015 by neilly71

[thplinth]

We don't need no stinking banner.

[FuNsTeR]

at times like this I miss scunnered .... Sheridan is using this as a vehicle to build up support for his party and hijack the Indy Movement to feed his own ego

[neilly71]

at times like this I miss scunnered .... Sheridan is using this as a vehicle to build up support for his party and hijack the Indy Movement to feed his own ego

Nothing to hijack tbh because the SNP dont organise rallies. And,again, Sheridan and solidarity are not behind All Under One Banner. Jings.