andymac Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The bills would have to be put before parliament. If a majority of MPs voted against them (I suspect the TU bill will face more opposition than Trident) then they can't be put into law. Or can they? Is it more complicated than that? You do get that the Tories have an absolute majority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You do get that the Tories have an absolute majority? It's not a big majority though. Are there no Tory MPs who are opposed to renewing Trident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 They destablised his government, operation ClockWork Orange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwork_Orange_%28plot%29 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/15/comment.labour1 They did indeed. I'm reading a book at the moment about some of the smears Wilson had to deal with. The poor guy spent half his time as Labour leader dealing with conspiracies and plots against him - some real and some imagined. There was a theory at one point that he was a KGB sleeper agent, which grew arms and legs mainly because he had visited the USSR a few times while a junior government minister and his predecessor as Labour leader had died after a short and mysterious illness shortly after returning from a visit behind the iron curtain himself. The BBC did a pretty decent docu-drama about Operation Clockwork Orange a few years ago (if you can accept James Bolam as Harold Wilson!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Not as many as Labour MPs who are pro-renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You do get that the Tories have an absolute majority? Aye, and it's what, 12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I just backed labour to get most seats in holyrood next year at 8's. Good odds, all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 They did indeed. I'm reading a book at the moment about some of the smears Wilson had to deal with. The poor guy spent half his time as Labour leader dealing with conspiracies and plots against him - some real and some imagined. There was a theory at one point that he was a KGB sleeper agent, which grew arms and legs mainly because he had visited the USSR a few times while a junior government minister and his predecessor as Labour leader had died after a short and mysterious illness shortly after returning from a visit behind the iron curtain himself. The BBC did a pretty decent docu-drama about Operation Clockwork Orange a few years ago (if you can accept James Bolam as Harold Wilson!). I read about it ion Colin Wallaces book (he tried to whistleblow about that and kincora, got fitted up for manslaughter and decried a Walter Mitty), don't watch the BBC so would have missed it "unless sporting event" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Not as many as Labour MPs who are pro-renewal. Perhaps Trident is a bridge too far but I'd be amazed if any Labour MPs supported the government's proposed TU bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Perhaps Trident is a bridge too far but I'd be amazed if any Labour MPs supported the government's proposed TU bill. They will not but every Tory will and don't forget the DUP, UUP and UKIP (11 seats). Corbyn being elected will not substantially change this parliament, its all about if he can change the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 What a time to be alive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What a time to be alive! The assault on Corbyn hasnt even started yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 The assault on Corbyn hasnt even started yet The easy parts done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 They will not but every Tory will and don't forget the DUP, UUP and UKIP (11 seats). Corbyn being elected will not substantially change this parliament, its all about if he can change the next. Don't forget the SDLP, Plaid Cymru,the Green MP and, of course, the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Defence secretary Fallon who's department has been shipping arms or aid to countries like Iraq and Syria for Decades says "Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security.Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party will hurt working people. This is a very serious moment for our country – the Conservatives will continue to deliver stability, security and opportunity for working people.”" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The easy parts done. Thats either sarcasm or delusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Defence secretary Fallon who's department has been shipping arms or aid to countries like Iraq and Syria for Decades says "Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security.Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party will hurt working people. This is a very serious moment for our country – the Conservatives will continue to deliver stability, security and opportunity for working people.”" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Thats either sarcasm or delusion Neither. I'm sure you'd agree winning the leadership contest was the easy part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Don't forget the SDLP, Plaid Cymru,the Green MP and, of course, the SNP. Not being funny here but this is just arithmetic. The Tories have an absolute majority (working majority of 16). If every opposition MP votes against them they still win, In the same scenario if 15 Tories abstain and they still win. I can't see a scenario will vote against the government on this subject. Can't see UKIP (Ex-tory) voting against the Tories on TU reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) Tom Watson does well out of this... Edited September 12, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Neither. I'm sure you'd agree winning the leadership contest was the easy part? Sorry - i read that as hard part Ill keep my nose out of it now .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 what everyone needs to remember this is the same Jeremy corbyn that their would be no more devolution or more new powers to Scotland and he was against a 2nd referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 what everyone needs to remember this is the same Jeremy corbyn that their would be no more devolution or more new powers to Scotland and he was against a 2nd referendum No he didn't. He said it would be a matter for the Scottish people. I'd hate to see Yes comrades resort themselves to MSM type smears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 No he didn't. He said it would be a matter for the Scottish people. I'd hate to see Yes comrades resort themselves to MSM type smears. The MSM in Scotland are pro Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'd be checking my brakes every journey. Not hard to check on a cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 The MSM in Scotland are pro Labour. Are they? Old Rupert and the SNP are super ultra cosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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