Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I think Flure is probably right. Once you settle on Yes, I think the vast majority are not for moving back which means that with the current No push, there might be a halt in Yes momentum, maybe a slight regression, but it's more likely to be a plateau. I think once the frenzy dies down, the No campaign is in danger of a further collapse because at some point, clear heads will realise that No still lacks ambition or aspiration. I wish I could say I was as confident as that sounded but I think it's still most likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest faircity Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Haha, desperation now. They are wheeling out that trumped John Prescott in Rutherglen. He really is a fanjab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 But has the lovebombing and the fearmongering (both ramped up to new levels) hit us hard, or are people not being taken in? We'll find out in a few days. So far though, of the conversations I've had/seen, the only people who believe 'more powers guaranteed' are the ones who are voting no anyway. My undecideds are increasingly sceptical of the msm, which is good. One fulminating that it is a disgrace that he has to read foreign media to get an unbiased account of the referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 One thing is for certain, it's went absolutely f***ing mental since the YouGov poll. I make a point of highlighting this to Undecided's that they were nowhere to be seen until they thought they might lose. Question is, after today, are Cameron et al heading back south tomorrow? If they want to have any chance, they need to keep this kind of dominance in the media but I expect it might go a bit flat for them in a day or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 We'll find out in a few days. So far though, of the conversations I've had/seen, the only people who believe 'more powers guaranteed' are the ones who are voting no anyway. My undecideds are increasingly sceptical of the msm, which is good. One fulminating that it is a disgrace that he has to read foreign media to get an unbiased account of the referendum Getting back into it now. A bit worried the fears will now start to kick in as they're being directed from all angles. But I think the people of Scotland probably aren't daft enough to fall for it. Anyway, out leafleting after lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I think once the frenzy dies down, Isn't much time for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Isn't much time for that True. But it will be curious to see what happens to the UK media when Cameron and Co hot foot it back across the border tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 True. But it will be curious to see what happens to the UK media when Cameron and Co hot foot it back across the border tomorrow. Aye you mean when Farage arrives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 You just need to look at the language being used in these late stages - headlines like "save the union" have been common and will only intensify. If they have to work so hard to save it, do they genuinely believe a YES result being likely. Also - people, perhaps subconsciously, talk about Scotland "winning" independence. No one ever talks about "winning" the Union. And not being too paranoid, but I hope the YES vote is decisive so counter any potential sneaky tricks that may occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) I hope you're right. What makes you think that? Tsunami of Yes votes coming from the "Schemes" that pollster don't even know exist, the supermo with Yes, the split of undecideds leaning towards Yes, people like to identify with winners. And a poll I've seen. Edited September 10, 2014 by Flure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This Flure, there is a wave of history coming about to hit the shore. the frantics acts of the UK pollies already look like yesterdays men. As long as people keep their nerve, it is our time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 It feels to me that we are witnessing history in the making, live. Don't let us down, Scotland. We can do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This is the all out onslaught - major corps, all news media, bbc, sky giving it all they've got. The Yes campaign will be doing well to regain the news cycle and pick up momentum again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yep. It really is an all out salvo with everything they've got. Standard Life and BP also re-entering with some thinly veiled threats. The only way this continues though is if Cameron et al stay in Scotland as like it or not, they've brought focus to a UK wide audience and with that, comes 24 rolling news. Whatever way you cut it. it's probably good for Yes. If they go home and things die down a little, Yes get more of the news cycle again. If they stay, they'll make major f*** ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Eagle Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Tsunami of Yes votes coming from the "Schemes" that pollster don't even know exist, the supermo with Yes, the split of undecideds leaning towards Yes, people like to identify with winners. And a poll I've seen.All great reasons - reassuring too. Can we add to that list YES's increased share of the women's vote. I think the undecided women, even more than the men, will see right through i) the Flash Gordon "one day to save the world" shecht and ii) the duplicitous bribe of the twelfth hour "promise" of unspecified powers #wontgetfooledagain [Who's Next - Timeless Album - wrong thread] Edited September 10, 2014 by Tartan Eagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Folk need to remember they are doing it for their own good, not for us. They want to maintain their cosy little cabal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Folk need to remember they are doing it for their own good, not for us. They want to maintain their cosy little cabal. Yep. But to a large number of undecideds, it will be hard for them to ignore the unrelenting wave of fear that's being thrown their way. The frenzy around this is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yep. But to a large number of undecideds, it will be hard for them to ignore the unrelenting wave of fear that's being thrown their way. The frenzy around this is incredible. yeah, think thats where social media and speaking to folk is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The internet is a precious thing huh. MSM totally biased, in earlier generation Yes would have stood zero chance. I wonder how the guy who put 800k on No is feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The internet is a precious thing huh. MSM totally biased, in earlier generation Yes would have stood zero chance. I wonder how the guy who put 800k on No is feeling I doubt it was his own money.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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