hairy de janairy Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 As it says they are having another crowd funding mcthingy today - they hoping to raise a few million to expand even more.. If u fancy it then i can give u my referral code - i get some freebies :-) https://www.brewdog.com/equityforpunks/prospectus-download Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 No dividends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 No dividends? Can't trade them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy de janairy Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 No dividends for forseeable future as they re-invest all profits to grow... which is fine better to grow as much as they can then maybe when they float in FTSE 250 in a few years they can start dividends.. I would like to see alternative dividend introduced before then ie beer you can trade them in a few months time they opening up a trading platform...but again i would not want to sell until they float to FTSE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 No dividends for forseeable future as they re-invest all profits to grow... which is fine better to grow as much as they can then maybe when they float in FTSE 250 in a few years they can start dividends.. I would like to see alternative dividend introduced before then ie beer you can trade them in a few months time they opening up a trading platform...but again i would not want to sell until they float to FTSE... More likely to float to AIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I recon I've already made my money back in discount and free shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy de janairy Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 More likely to float to AIM Possibly..but at the rate they growing they could be big enough to go straight to FTSE 250 After all they are already raising significant funds via their own share issues(crowdfunding) and hence by passing the usual need for companies to go to Aim... Time will tell...also would they reject a take over from a major brewer ? they say so but you never know until the cash is on the table... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 The smallest FTSE250 company has a market cap of just over £500million. This deal, if taken at face value, would give Brewdog a value of £300million. However, given the profit last year was only about £2million, that'd be a ridiculous p/e of 150. As with their previous equity for punks deals, the price you're paying doesn't really reflect the company value, it's a different kind of offer to straight equity - as deecie says, the attraction is often more around the benefits rather than the investment. If it was valued around £100 million or a bit under it'd be realistic, that's giving it a very high p/e on the assumption that its rapid growth will continue. That's still a long way from FTSE250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibelieve!!! Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Planning a brewery in the U.S. 42 acre development employing 100 people. Can they still call themselves "craft brewers"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yes they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy de janairy Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Opening second bar in Aberdeen at the old anthaneum site The AGM last sat was most enjoyable particularly for the food - the best pie in my life from pie minister stand the rib place looked awesome too but I could are be arsed standing in the q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'd make a guess that they have a takeover or trade sale in mind somewhere down the line. They seem to be making themselves a target, which is what successful entrepreneurs do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'd make a guess that they have a takeover or trade sale in mind somewhere down the line. They seem to be making themselves a target, which is what successful entrepreneurs do. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'd make a guess that they have a takeover or trade sale in mind somewhere down the line. They seem to be making themselves a target, which is what successful entrepreneurs do. Can't see it. Doing so would contradict almost everything they've done so far. They've also no real need to sell up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 £££££££££££££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Guaranteed they'll sell up. In terms of their publicity and marketing they're following a very similar model to Bruichladdich Distillery, who made a big hoo-ha about being independent, slagging the big boys etc and saying they'd never sell out. All the while maximising the value of the company so that when the big boys flashed the cash they made a mint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Doing so would contradict almost everything they've done so far. Brew rank beer but sell it to gullible punters at a premium thanks to great advertising? Seems consistent to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Brew rank beer but sell it to gullible punters at a premium thanks to great advertising? Seems consistent to me. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy de janairy Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Brew rank beer but sell it to gullible punters at a premium thanks to great advertising? Seems consistent to me. Your thinking of Heineken , fosters, carling and all the other bland pish beer companies that spend millions on TV and sponsorship to sell crap beer They may well sell out - you can never know until the money is on the table in front of you - but I don't think so as they have made enough to live v comfortably for rest of lives and brew beer - time will tell - certainly some of the beer majors have already been buying out the craft breweries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Brew rank beer but sell it to gullible punters at a premium thanks to great advertising? Seems consistent to me. The appreciation of beer is a subjective judgement. What is not subjective is the business numbers. They are clearly catering for a market that exists. And doing it very, very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Brew rank beer but sell it to gullible punters at a premium thanks to great advertising? Seems consistent to me. Yes, correct. I see we have just about managed to avoid the pavlovian reaction kicked in with 'you must drink fosters, Heineken' type posts.. Edited June 12, 2015 by johnnie x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 There's a market for crucifixes and people to assist you in nailing yourself to them so you can feel closer to Christ. Alcohol nasty, nasty drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy de janairy Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yes, correct. I see we have just about managed to avoid the pavlovian reaction kicked in with 'you must drink fosters, Heineken' type posts.. What is correct ? that brewdog brew rank beer - what really ? the whole range is rank ?.. or they sell because of advertising ? i don't think they advertise much ? certainly only relevent advertising about their product not some comedy advert that has nothing to do with the content of the beer.. One point I would like to add is that after drinking solidly for 8 hours at the AGM i felt bright and breezy the next day - no hangover..now i may have just dodged a bullet but the whole purity against chemical additives in beer definately requires more research..the only other times i have remained hangover free from all day sessions was in Germany and we know how they don't add extra crap into their beer. I wouldnt say no to a pint of tennents put in front of me but i do wonder what exactly goes into the mainstream stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldJag Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 What is correct ? that brewdog brew rank beer - what really ? the whole range is rank ?.. or they sell because of advertising ? i don't think they advertise much ? certainly only relevent advertising about their product not some comedy advert that has nothing to do with the content of the beer.. One point I would like to add is that after drinking solidly for 8 hours at the AGM i felt bright and breezy the next day - no hangover..now i may have just dodged a bullet but the whole purity against chemical additives in beer definately requires more research..the only other times i have remained hangover free from all day sessions was in Germany and we know how they don't add extra crap into their beer. I wouldnt say no to a pint of tennents put in front of me but i do wonder what exactly goes into the mainstream stuff Got to agree with this. I've started drinking craft beers now instead of the mainstream stuff like Tennents and Stella. The difference in my hangovers is night and day. Pretty much non existent when i stick to the brewdog and Williams Brothers stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy de janairy Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 I had a couple of glasses of the wife's prosseco last night and my head is bursting this morning ! Sticking to the craft beers tonight .... Stonehaven has a beer fest next week so might pop along to that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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