aaid Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, phart said: It's more complicated than "all Asian men" it's to do with opportunity and how demographics fit into society. All the mass child abuse covered up round boys clubs and churches is done by "white british" in certain areas where things like late night takeaways and taxi's are dominated by "asian men" its much more opportunities driven. TBC, I'm responding to your post to add to it rather than countering anything in it. In these particular cases, you have a cohort of men who are - mainly but not exclusively - first or second generation immigrants from rural Pakistan. Their belief system towards women is - tbf - medieval, whether that's down to an interpretation of Islam itself or its something that stems from the values system of their community isn't clear. It also manifests itself in forced - as opposed to arranged - marriages and honour killings. That of course is not to suggest that all people from this community or who hold those beliefs are involved in child sex abuse. To draw a comparison. The Amish of Pennsylvania are Christians but have a particular belief system around certain interactions with the modern world, eg. they won't use motor cars and have certain restrictions over dress, which isn't shared by the vast bulk of Christians worldwide. In their case I'd suggest that several centuries ago their ancestors had a particular fundamentalist interpretation of the bible which formed the basis for a set of rules and a belief and values system which has been passed down over the generations within that community to the present day. Their belief and values system is benign in comparison and largely impact only themselves. These men - because the important thing, and the common factor with virtually all cases of child sexual abuse is that its men - target white girls in particular because they feel they are "lower" than girls from their own community and that they are "fair game", which is in itself racist. They also target girls who are in the care system because they are easy prey, they are vulnerable for all sorts of reasons, not least because they have their own personal issues but also because they don't have anyone looking out for them in a lot of cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, aaid said: TBC, I'm responding to your post to add to it rather than countering anything in it. In these particular cases, you have a cohort of men who are - mainly but not exclusively - first or second generation immigrants from rural Pakistan. Their belief system towards women is - tbf - medieval, whether that's down to an interpretation of Islam itself or its something that stems from the values system of their community isn't clear. It also manifests itself in forced - as opposed to arranged - marriages and honour killings. That of course is not to suggest that all people from this community or who hold those beliefs are involved in child sex abuse. To draw a comparison. The Amish of Pennsylvania are Christians but have a particular belief system around certain interactions with the modern world, eg. they won't use motor cars and have certain restrictions over dress, which isn't shared by the vast bulk of Christians worldwide. In their case I'd suggest that several centuries ago their ancestors had a particular fundamentalist interpretation of the bible which formed the basis for a set of rules and a belief and values system which has been passed down over the generations within that community to the present day. Their belief and values system is benign in comparison and largely impact only themselves. These men - because the important thing, and the common factor with virtually all cases of child sexual abuse is that its men - target white girls in particular because they feel they are "lower" than girls from their own community and that they are "fair game", which is in itself racist. They also target girls who are in the care system because they are easy prey, they are vulnerable for all sorts of reasons, not least because they have their own personal issues but also because they don't have anyone looking out for them in a lot of cases. Big investigation into the Amish ongoing with tales of incest and sexual exploitation. This came out only 3 days ago https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/ To be honest the whole thing is depressing, to be informed, you have to read reams of disturbing shit. I don't even have kids and it's a headwreck. Injecting heroin into them and then exploiting that for sexual gratification, folk turning blind eyes, the senior people "declining/refusing" to participate in investigations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, phart said: Big investigation into the Amish ongoing with tales of incest and sexual exploitation. This came out only 3 days ago https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/ To be honest the whole thing is depressing, to be informed, you have to read reams of disturbing shit. I don't even have kids and it's a headwreck. Injecting heroin into them and then exploiting that for sexual gratification, folk turning blind eyes, the senior people "declining/refusing" to participate in investigations. There was me looking for a relatively benign Christian comparison. TBF, nothing surprises me at all about any form of closed society. That said, I think that child sex abuse is prevalent across all strata of society - and in most cases is carried out by family members - it becomes "institutionalised" when particular organisations or societies feel they need to cover it up to protect the wider society allied to the closed nature of these societies meaning its easier for predators to get access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, aaid said: There was me looking for a relatively benign Christian comparison. TBF, nothing surprises me at all about any form of closed society. That said, I think that child sex abuse is prevalent across all strata of society - and in most cases is carried out by family members - it becomes "institutionalised" when particular organisations or societies feel they need to cover it up to protect the wider society allied to the closed nature of these societies meaning its easier for predators to get access. 3 days ago i would have thought the same as you, this has just came to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 It’s still worth remembering that UK White is the ethnicity of (depending on your source) 90-92% of convictions for sexual abuse of children. It’s probably slightly higher for the ‘lesser’ offence of possession &/or distribution of child pornography. The Muslim ‘problem’ of grooming gangs is really just a particular aspect where they have operated in a particular way & used racism as a defence to get away with it. Internet-based grooming gangs are still, in terms of numbers, a far bigger problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 https://www.foxnews.com/world/manchester-asian-grooming-scandal Quite the read that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/ Quote The failure of certain parts of the Asian community to integrate into British society has led to gangs of British Pakistani Muslim men targeting white women with drink and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them, an anti-extremism think tank claims. The report by Quilliam calls for greater support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern British society. It says that the gangs of mainly British-Pakistani men "have been influenced by the cultural conditions of their home country and a wider failure of British society to integrate these men into their adoptive culture". Researchers, who analysed 264 convictions of grooming gang members since 2005, had initially expected to find Asians had been unfairly singled out. However, they discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the report said. Muna Adil, one of two authors, said: “We began thinking we would debunk the media narrative that Asians are over-represented in this specific crime. But, when the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed. For both of us being of Pakistani heritage, this issue is deeply personal and deeply disturbing.” ..... Since 2011, groups of men have been prosecuted for organised sexgrooming crimes against hundreds of girls in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle. In only two of those cases were the men not of South Asian heritage. Of all the victims, only three were not white teenage girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 “The report by Quilliam calls for greater support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern British society” You can’t force integration, not sure how much can be done, probably no country has tried more than Sweden and that’s been a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 I had a quick run through the report. Very disturbing. https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/media/2569/operation_augusta_january_2020_digital_final.pdf Couple of quotes... Quote 1.21. The review team was supported in this exercise by Manchester City Council officers and the GMP Cold Case Review Team, who had undertaken a very conscientious and thorough review of the files. We established the following: • There was clear evidence that professionals at the time were aware these young people were being sexually exploited, and that this was generally perpetrated by a group of older Asian men. There was significant information known at the time about their names, their locations and telephone numbers but the available evidence was not used to pursue offenders. • Perpetrators appeared to be operating in “plain sight”, hanging around in cars outside care homes and foster homes and returning young people to their care addresses. • A key concern was that the focus of the multi-agency strategy meetings was on agencies encouraging young people to protect themselves rather than providing protection for them. There was very little evidence from the social care files of the deployment of disruption strategies to protect the young people. Apparently the abusers operated out of a string of shops / fast food joints... Quote 1.26. Furthermore, while we would accept that subsequent changes in legislation have enhanced the opportunities to tackle child sexual exploitation (CSE), we expected to see more evidence of attempts by the operation to take disruptive action, utilising powers under PACE12 to arrest and question suspects and search premises. We also found no examples of the operation working with the licensing authority to oppose the licences of the premises that had been identified as central to the identified exploitation. Clearly, the SIO recognised the need for these strategies when he referred to the “proactive phase” of Operation Augusta, and the decision not to allocate resources to that element of the operation fundamentally constrained its effectiveness in tackling the identified harm and risk to children presented by those adults. Amazingly the police did not even oppose the renewal of the licenses of the shops where the abusers were operating... And they shat out of going after the men directly... Quote 1.19. Finally, the investigation strategy placed too heavy a reliance on victims’ willingness to make complaints. As resources and time ran out, activity became reduced to closing down the majority of the cases because the child declined to make a formal complaint. Critically, the problem that Operation Augusta had been set up to tackle, namely the sexual exploitation throughout a wide area of a significant number of children in the care system by predominantly Asian men, had not been addressed. Very few of the relevant perpetrators were brought to justice and neither were their activities disrupted. Quote 1.22. We have deliberately removed much of the specific detail in the descriptions that follow to ensure that the individuals who were children at the time cannot be identified. However, we believe it is important that this report also captures the distressing experiences that these vulnerable children were subjected to. • The age of the children, in our sample, who were being exploited, ranged from 12 to 16. Most complaints related to children aged 14 to 16. Children as young as 14 were reported to have “boyfriends” in their mid-20s and were said to be placing themselves at risk. • Carers heard a child say that “they go to various houses with groups of Asian males aged 18 to 23 and have sex. She had been with a 23-year-old male the previous night and he introduced her to his brother … The girls are allegedly forced to have sex with the men”. • A child who was still very young reported that she had been restrained by a man in his mid-20s who then seriously assaulted her and committed an extremely serious and distressing sexual act. • Care staff reported on one child that there was a network of Asian men and that it was likely that this was where the child was getting her money from. The social worker said that one of the men would have given her money and this led to her being sent to different establishments for sex. • Carers reported to police that a child had provided information stating that she was being “pursued/threatened/coerced” into having sex by two men who were Asian. She was interviewed, declined to speak to police but did provide information about one man, giving his name and explaining that she was afraid. • A child begged her carers to get her away from Manchester as she was too involved with Asian men. She disclosed that an Asian man known by his nickname “made her do things she didn't want to do”. • A child described how she would go to flats with friends. There were lots of Asian men there and she would be given drink (vodka or similar) and drugs (cocaine). She described how she would “have sex with them without a fight” and “do whatever they wanted us to do”. She was generally paid a significant sum of money. In conclusion, we found clear evidence in the social care files that the young people were not well served or protected by the statutory agencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, thplinth said: https://www.foxnews.com/world/manchester-asian-grooming-scandal Quite the read that... The report it refernces is the thing i posted earlier. It's both persplexing and grim as fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 fukcing hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 12 hours ago, phart said: fukcing hell It turns your stomach. Cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 WTF, what can you actually say in response to that. Those 11 men should quietly be disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 Listening to the whistleblower ex cops saying how investigations would always get shut down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 2/6/2020 at 9:01 PM, thplinth said: Alan, anyone who has posted on here for anytime knows if this scandal had involved a tory you would be no where near this board, you would be totally silent. Then you would resurface as if nothing happened. You dont care about the above. Even this stuff is a partisan political football for you. You are like a (far spectrum) hun slavering over child abuse. On 2/6/2020 at 11:38 PM, Alan said: Am I right in remembering your forthright and loud opinions on the "Westmonster peado scandal" (that was all false)? This sordid episode is another correction on the false moral superiority nationalists (of any country) have. The act. The response. The excuses. "That was all false..." Good to know where your loyalties lie Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/24/barrow-mp-calls-for-calm-after-protests-over-claims-case Cant say for sure but that sure is a very familiar looking pattern of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 A former councillor has been given a suspended jail sentence for downloading 290,000 child abuse images from an illegal online chat network. Roger Spackman, who was a Labour councillor on Exeter City Council until his arrest in 2017, worked at a secure children's home at the time he started collecting the enormous hoard of images. https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/former-exeter-city-councillor-roger-4372235 An example of the system working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Quote The judge told him: "You are of good character and have worked in the service of the public as a councillor. Your fall from grace has been dramatic. "Over approximately nine years you were receiving a large number of indecent images, the vast majority being category C images although there were a number at category A. "The reason for this appears to be that you were abused as a child and have demons that have possessed you. You have bared your soul to complete strangers to explain how came to have these images. The judge needs reeducated as to what good character means, this bloke certainly doesn't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Was there ever a review into how the police fucked up the Carl Beech case so badly or has it been swept under the carpet? There was just something that didn't sit right in that whole thing - the details of his sentence seemed to be on the radio news on the way home from work for days almost like it was a warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58781265 Fucking hell it's rife in the French church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/uk-police-drop-action-prince-andrew-abuse-claim-80513984 Nothing sums up the rot at the heart of the 'United' Kingdom more for me than the police investigations into Alex Salmond versus the police investigations into Prince Andrew. Says it all really. Pinging a lock of hair in a lift with another person there becomes sexual assault for one, shagging underage girls in what looks like a pedophile trafficking ring (Epstein and his little buddies) get a free pass for another. Gosh what could be difference. Nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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