Maq Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Rangers are not the problem (for a change!) it's Scottish society. Rangers do however seem to have the majority of the singing mentals following them though. The current situation with the Board and Mike Ashley seems to be exacerbating the situation. I had hoped this whole "journey" up the divisions would allow us to leave some of the knuckledraggers behind but it's gone the other way instead. Sorry, but you can't blame Mike Ashley for this. He wasn't around for the last 50+ years of accepted bigotry from the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Personally, I don't understand why decent people support Rangers. Rangers ARE sectarian, it's not an adjunct, it's the reason the club is and it's been their lifeblood ever since Celtic came along. This Rangers is the same club as the old Rangers. Same values, same triumphalism, same small minded bigotry. Why support them, unless you're into waving Union Jacks and hating Catholics? There are plenty of other, less toxic football clubs. Just my opinion, I just don't get it. Your opinion is wrong. Rangers were formed 15 years before Celtic by some blokes from the Glasgow Rowing Club (I think). The sectarian bile only attached itself to the club about 30 years or so later after the first world war. So hardly the reason for its existence. Too many people think the football teams are the cause. They're not, they are just the most obvious outpouring. I support Rangers because my Dad did. I didn't understand the sectarian nonsense until I was in my teens as my Dad was an atheist and had no interest in religion. Why should I drop my team because some knuckledraggers support it too? Most of them weren't born when I was following the team. They can off and support another team instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Sorry, but you can't blame Mike Ashley for this. He wasn't around for the last 50+ years of accepted bigotry from the fans Can you actually read? I'm not blaming Ashley for anything. It's the bampots that are upset by his existence that are the problem. You really should try reading things properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Whilst one lot sang about rule britannia, fenians and the pope the other lot were waving fireworks, bottling a kid in a minubus whilst singing the national anthem of another country. Glasgow's shame - two cheeks of the same a*se. It's about time the beaks shut the filth down once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Can you actually read? I'm not blaming Ashley for anything. It's the bampots that are upset by his existence that are the problem. You really should try reading things properly. The bampots being upset by his existence cause the bigotry? I'm upset I didn't win the lottery tonight, doesn't mean I'll resort to singing about Fenians. If you can't see the problem, you're part of it I'm afraid. I've supported Aberdeen all my life. If the club started allowing bigotry to become part of the culture of the club, which it has at rangers, I wouldn't defend the club, or just say "ach, they're just morons, what can you do!" - I'd try and force my club to act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Your opinion is wrong. Rangers were formed 15 years before Celtic by some blokes from the Glasgow Rowing Club (I think). The sectarian bile only attached itself to the club about 30 years or so later after the first world war. So hardly the reason for its existence. Too many people think the football teams are the cause. They're not, they are just the most obvious outpouring. I support Rangers because my Dad did. I didn't understand the sectarian nonsense until I was in my teens as my Dad was an atheist and had no interest in religion. Why should I drop my team because some knuckledraggers support it too? Most of them weren't born when I was following the team. They can badger off and support another team instead. I'm afraid my opinion - that I can't understand why a decent person with reasonable morals and ethical values would choose to support an institution so stained by sectarianism - can't be "wrong". I don't understand it, it's alien to me.I'm aware that Rangers were a "normal" team until Celtic turned up - you might put it after the First World War before it became institutionalised if you like. Bear in mind that "normal" institutions in the 1870s and 1880s didn't allow Irish Catholics to become members - the whole of the Scottish establishment was racist and sectarian. Rangers thrived on it where others evolved. And since the outside world moved on from their strange, hateful view of the world they have perpetuated it. They direct, not reflect. Edited February 7, 2015 by adamntg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 And every Aberdeen game should be behind closed doors for singing their Ibrox disaster ditty and the vile chants about Ian Durrant? Or is it just the Of? What about the sectarian singing at Edinburgh derbies? Put Hibs and Hearts behind closed doors too? He's nay , he's spentHis house is up for rent Jimmy Durrant Jimmy Durrant That the one ? Always thought it a catchy little ditty But SFA to do with little battles fought in Ireland over 300 years back Can't beat the mock outrage from the peepul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 He's nay , he's spent His house is up for rent Jimmy Durrant Jimmy Durrant That the one ? Always thought it a catchy little ditty But SFA to do with little battles fought in Ireland over 300 years back Can't beat the mock outrage from the peepul 325 years back :wink2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Most games at Ibrox are like a morgue so hardly the centre of rampant sectarianism singing Last Sunday was like a a bit of retro. Plenty of songs sang that should be taken to task. The club should come out and make a statement but in case you haven't noticed we are little bit dysfunctional at the moment. Having followed the club since 72 I can tell you that things have improved a lot over the last 40 odd years. The club is not sectarian, it does though have an element of bigoted fans that follow them but these people are in the margins. I do not equate 90 minutes of what happened last Sunday in terms of singing with evidence of institutional bigotry at Rangers. Most of these fans will go back to their mixed families, their RC friends, their RC work colleagues and get on with their lives in a perfectly non bigoted manner,. As for the songs in the grey area then the signing about Ireland is fine by me as long as there is no reference to terrorist or bigoted insults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Wow, it's Scottish society's fault now. This is exactly why nothing will ever change because neither side will ever admit they have problems and then deal with those problems. I can see my interest in the game here weining again if/when Mike Ashley's team make it back to the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louch Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 To answer the op, police Scotland has 17k officers. So you would need every officer in Scotland arresting 2/3 people each to take on an OF crowd. It's just not Practical to attempt to take on my crowd when things aren't physically violent. Re stopping games, there is enough aggro after an of game without antagonizing people further by stopi g it mid way through and calling it off. Weeding people out afterwards seems the only solution, but haven't many cases based on CCTV fallen apart as are based on lip reading? Both clubs have released what shouldn't be sung. Until fans respect that not much can be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 That's a cop out. Cops could start lifting folk, others would take heed and stop If it continues, games could be stopped. Or 3-0 losses handed out, or future games played behind closed doors. There's plenty of punishments available, but the SFA aren't serious (or don't have the balls) to sort it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The bampots being upset by his existence cause the bigotry? I'm upset I didn't win the lottery tonight, doesn't mean I'll resort to singing about Fenians. If you can't see the problem, you're part of it I'm afraid. I've supported Aberdeen all my life. If the club started allowing bigotry to become part of the culture of the club, which it has at rangers, I wouldn't defend the club, or just say "ach, they're just morons, what can you do!" - I'd try and force my club to act. Not sure if your twisting of my words is deliberate or because you're so stuck in your opinion. So here's some simple bullet points for you. 1-There is no excuse for bigotry. None whatsoever. 2-I am not defending Rangers or the fans who sing the nasty songs. They are bigoted filth. 3-If you are serious about tackling bigotry then it has to be in all its forms including racism etc. 4-Focusing on one club will do not good. It gives the false impression that the "other side " are doing nothing wrong. 5-You and a lot of other folk on here seem intent on Rangers. They do have the worst element just now but are not the only ones. Wait till the Northern Ireland friendly. See what percentage off the TA boo when God Save the Queen comes on. There's an ugly anti-English element in the TA that appears to be accepted but is equivalent to bigotry or racism. 6-I'm not blaming Mike Ashley for any of the guff on show last weekend. I am merely observing that 3 years ago, after the first few games, the singing was tailing away. I think everyone assumed there be some at least at the OF game but the other games are now also infected. The rise in the singing seems to be directly linked to the fans disaffection for the board. It's not an excuse, it's an observation only. Hopefully this makes it easier to understand but feel free to ask about anything you don't get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 That's a cop out. Cops could start lifting folk, others would take heed and stop If it continues, games could be stopped. Or 3-0 losses handed out, or future games played behind closed doors. There's plenty of punishments available, but the SFA aren't serious (or don't have the balls) to sort it out Finally we agree on something. The cops are not doing their job properly. Surely a couple of officers and a camera man could lift folk singing the songs and the film would be the evidence required along with the officers testimony? Might be a bit simplistic but it would at least be something. Closed doors games should be used too. Any trouble at games whether it's singing or fighting should be punished appropriately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not sure if your twisting of my words is deliberate or because you're so stuck in your opinion. So here's some simple bullet points for you. 1-There is no excuse for bigotry. None whatsoever. 2-I am not defending Rangers or the fans who sing the nasty songs. They are bigoted filth. 3-If you are serious about tackling bigotry then it has to be in all its forms including racism etc. 4-Focusing on one club will do not good. It gives the false impression that the "other side " are doing nothing wrong. 5-You and a lot of other folk on here seem intent on Rangers. They do have the worst element just now but are not the only ones. Wait till the Northern Ireland friendly. See what percentage off the TA boo when God Save the Queen comes on. There's an ugly anti-English element in the TA that appears to be accepted but is equivalent to bigotry or racism. 6-I'm not blaming Mike Ashley for any of the guff on show last weekend. I am merely observing that 3 years ago, after the first few games, the singing was tailing away. I think everyone assumed there be some at least at the OF game but the other games are now also infected. The rise in the singing seems to be directly linked to the fans disaffection for the board. It's not an excuse, it's an observation only. Hopefully this makes it easier to understand but feel free to ask about anything you don't get. Agree with most of that........... but c'mon, I'm not having the booing of GSTQ as equivalent to bigotry or racism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Jeez, sensitive souls in Aberdeen. Offended by posts on the tamb now! Are people actually offended by this singing or do they just want to get rangers and Celtic in trouble?.... I've heard a lot of songs being sung that I didn't like but I've never felt compelled to complain to the police for the sake of my own personal taste. I don't really want to take my nephews to games where folk will be singing about being "up to their knees in Fenian blood". Here's an idea, how about folk stop singing songs of hate. me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albathebrave Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 and the nanny state continues..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 and the nanny state continues..... Probably because some people act like naughty children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Agree with most of that........... but c'mon, I'm not having the booing of GSTQ as equivalent to bigotry or racism! Why not? Too close to home?If calling us sweaty socks isnt allowed then the anti-English nonsense spewed by large numbers in the TA is just the same. There can be no hypocrisy or we quite simply cannot sort out the sectarian crap. Seriously, do you see nothing wrong with booing other countries anthems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Whitfield Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 . Seriously, do you see nothing wrong with booing other countries anthems? Disrespect. That's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Disrespect. That's about it. Possibly, if that was all. Why do the TA boo the Northern Ireland anthem? Do we dislike the Irish? Why was the Georgian anthem so roundly booed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'd boo it because I dislike the Queen. Never had a problem with the English and I think some of the "stand up if you hate England" stuff is embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'd boo it because I dislike the Queen. Never had a problem with the English and I think some of the "stand up if you hate England" stuff is embarrassing.Thankfully it's years since I've heard that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 And every Aberdeen game should be behind closed doors for singing their Ibrox disaster ditty and the vile chants about Ian Durrant? Or is it just the Of? What about the sectarian singing at Edinburgh derbies? Put Hibs and Hearts behind closed doors too? Interesting. Yourself and a few others seem confused about what's acceptable and what's not. Here's my guide: Anything racist or sectarian - completely unacceptable, brings the game into severe disrepute and possibly illegal. Deserves the maximum sanction to drive it out. Anything that celebrates death or injury in a football related setting (i.e. Munich Air Disaster, Ibrox Disaster etc) Unacceptable. Can be addressed within the game, for example clubs issue official statement condemning such songs and warning fans of consequences if there's a repeat. These warnings must be followed through however. Songs claiming the opposition's supporters all sh@g sheep or that entire towns are illegitimate, unemployed or don't wash - fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Interesting. Yourself and a few others seem confused about what's acceptable and what's not. Here's my guide: Anything racist or sectarian - completely unacceptable, brings the game into severe disrepute and possibly illegal. Deserves the maximum sanction to drive it out. Anything that celebrates death or injury in a football related setting (i.e. Munich Air Disaster, Ibrox Disaster etc) Unacceptable. Can be addressed within the game, for example clubs issue official statement condemning such songs and warning fans of consequences if there's a repeat. These warnings must be followed through however. Songs claiming the opposition's supporters all sh@g sheep or that entire towns are illegitimate, unemployed or don't wash - fair game. What about songs about child abuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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