ger intae them Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 oops , wrong way round ............ should've been "can swim fast". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'm mid 40s and would agree with this Jen. In 80s I was always taught that you referred to black people as coloured and black was the offensive term. My wife just confirmed exact same, said black was very offensive when she was a teen. When i was growing up, in Ayrshire it was very common for the word 'black' to be used colloquially to describe something as dirty, or clatty. There was never any connection with race or ethnicity when it was used, it was just an alternative term you'd apply to anything or anyone. Was this was the case in the rest of Scotland? If so, maybe that had something to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BremnerLorimerGray Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) When i was growing up, in Ayrshire it was very common for the word 'black' to be used colloquially to describe something as dirty, or clatty. There was never any connection with race or ethnicity when it was used, it was just an alternative term you'd apply to anything or anyone. Was this was the case in the rest of Scotland? If so, maybe that had something to do with it? It's the same in Lanarkshire. Maybe a term in reference to the miners after a shift? It wasn't uncommon to refer to a mate as a black b*****d if he was a bit honkin' Edited January 29, 2015 by BremnerLorimerGray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Having never racially abused anyone, I wouldn't call anyone either of the above I've always considered "coloured" an offensive term though. So which word would you use? I've personally never liked the term 'coloured' but I hate hypocrisy and I like this politically correct bullshit even less. Give the guy a break. People are tripping over themselves playing catchup to whatever new set of social rules are out this week. Whoever is offended by shite like this should maybe be equally offended by everyone who uses such terms; black people especially. The same goes for every outdated phrase or slur against every race, religion or group until language itself is outlawed. Or we could just get over ourselves... Spot on!! It's also not true, in my experience. I doubt many schools even have blackboards nowadays, whiteboards are the norm now. I'm pretty sure this is drivel from the Mail which also claimed "Looney left" councils were banning "Baa baa black sheep" etc Actually it was true for East Ren at least. Chalkboard was to be used. And bah bah black sheep was to be changed to little sheep. Christmas lights were to be festive lights or something like that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 "coloured" or "colored" is a the word you see above a drinking fountain from the 1950s When it comes to stupid white people coming out with the "I'm down with these folks and I wonder what we call them" pish, use "black". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant grebner Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 There's an attendant evolving baggage with which ever wording you opt for. Current PC language will wind up being pejorative within 20 years. Not that there's any thing wrong with any PC language. But take the phrase "colored retard"; and many posters on here would take offense at the r-word but would let "colored" slide. The irony of course being that 93 out of 100 Scottish proper retards aren't actually offended when people call them "retarded" because they don't "get" the downside of them being useless and aye shiting their pants and having big thick mongo skulls that constantly leak saliva. But is it a "coloured" or a "black"? Us Jock Tamsons bairns huvnae got a scooby given there's less than 10k Black people in Scotland, so should we ever have meet one we go "aye, I love you coloreds" like it was a casting session for "Local Hero" in 1982. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 When i was growing up, in Ayrshire it was very common for the word 'black' to be used colloquially to describe something as dirty, or clatty. There was never any connection with race or ethnicity when it was used, it was just an alternative term you'd apply to anything or anyone. Was this was the case in the rest of Scotland? If so, maybe that had something to do with it? Exactly this. The miners thing appears to be true as well. IIRC it was discussed at length on another thread a couple of years ago reference the black=dirty thing in Ayrshire/Lanarkshire etc. I was in Vancouver in the mid 90s and was in a coffee shop with my cousins. Both them and the barista were shocked then amused when I asked for a black coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Exactly this. The miners thing appears to be true as well. IIRC it was discussed at length on another thread a couple of years ago reference the black=dirty thing in Ayrshire/Lanarkshire etc. I was in Vancouver in the mid 90s and was in a coffee shop with my cousins. Both them and the barista were shocked then amused when I asked for a black coffee. when i grew up the ice cream van sold black men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 You've a way wi words Brant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 we are all coloured people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Are coloured. White is a colour isn't it? Technically it's the absence of colour or at least that's what my 2nd year art teacher told us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Technically it's the absence of colour or at least that's what my 2nd year art teacher told us! Nah, white is all the colours. Black is the absence of colour. At least that's what my physics teacher told us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 i thought neither was a colour, they are "tones" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 This is known as the art-physics paradox and has resulted in many a punch up in the staff room. Physics teacher says: White light consist of all the colours of the rainbow. Something that appears white therefore is reflecting all the different colours / wavelengths of light, but something that is red only or mostly reflects the red light. Something which appears black is absorbing all of it (so how do we see it then, should it not be a black hole?) Art Teacher says: White cannot be mixed in the paintbox, you have to go buy it in a shop. You can however create black by mixing together ALL the colours! So off with your white is all the colours pish. It's mad. Who is right? No one knows to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Exactly this. The miners thing appears to be true as well. IIRC it was discussed at length on another thread a couple of years ago reference the black=dirty thing in Ayrshire/Lanarkshire etc. Yep, as a kid in the 80's, I remember my dad having this welder working for him who everyone just called Black Bob because he was just constantly covered in dust/dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 http://www.capetowndailyphoto.com/blog/2011/12/nigger-balls-really-what-were-we-thinking/ even sweets used to have a racist name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 My Mother (in her late sixties) said people would refer to a certain colour as N##### brown (mind you it was fife)Imagine going into top shop today and saying " can I have that in...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lunger Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 My Mother (in her late sixties) said people would refer to a certain colour as N##### brown (mind you it was fife) Imagine going into top shop today and saying " can I have that in...." Was there not some famous WWII pilot whose chocolate labrador was called N****r ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Was there not some famous WWII pilot whose chocolate labrador was called N****r ?Guy Gibson I believeThey re made the film dam busters And renamed the dog digger Even though it wad historically inaccurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One of my pals sent me a really good email on the subject. I lost it tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 My Mother (in her late sixties) said people would refer to a certain colour as N##### brown (mind you it was fife) Imagine going into top shop today and saying " can I have that in...." nice one i remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Guy Gibson I believe They re made the film dam busters And renamed the dog digger Even though it wad historically inaccurate Edited because title of video was very offensive! Google "dambusters dog" and it will come up From a more naive time... Edited January 29, 2015 by Goozay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 When i was growing up, in Ayrshire it was very common for the word 'black' to be used colloquially to describe something as dirty, or clatty. There was never any connection with race or ethnicity when it was used, it was just an alternative term you'd apply to anything or anyone. Was this was the case in the rest of Scotland? If so, maybe that had something to do with it? Killie fans still use it to describe there unhigenic neighbours Ayr. Think scumerset park is held together by the dirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 When i was growing up, in Ayrshire it was very common for the word 'black' to be used colloquially to describe something as dirty, or clatty. There was never any connection with race or ethnicity when it was used, it was just an alternative term you'd apply to anything or anyone. Was this was the case in the rest of Scotland? If so, maybe that had something to do with it? I always used it with the same meaning, like 'black boab' describing the persons personal hygiene or lack of it. When I moved to London I had to stop using it as when I did people thought I was being racist and I had to keep explaining. I have to say I always used the term coloured when describing black people until moving down here. I remember Alan Hansen using it and Garth Crooks getting the serious hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Garths never had a serious hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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