New manager

[Tartan blood]

18 hours ago, Lion Rampant said:

🤣 No worries! 

A comparable appointment for us would be Postecoglu, someone who has been in the country, knows the game here and knows the media. 

Unfortunately I don't think he's going to be remotely interested.

I actually think this job is a hell of a lot more attractive than we realise. Obviously we can't afford a top tier manager currently in a job, but any manager worth their salt would look at the following and be licking their lips:

1. Guaranteed qualification to the Euros and therefore 2 solid years of preparation

2. An established group of extremely talented and experienced internationals that have 2-4 years left in them (McTominay, McGinn, Robertson, Tierney, Ferguson, Gunn, Adams, Shankland, McKenna, Hendry, Souttar)

3. Aside from the above, we do have a decent pool of periphery players to supplement the squad if he is a fan: Burke, McBurnie, Gauld, Morgan etc etc

4. A growing batch of young players that have the world at their feet: Gannon-Doak, Miller, Bowie, Gilmour, Fletcher, Graham, Ure B.Stewart. And these are just the ones that you could make a case for now. More will be added.

5. This is essentially a part time job, where the majority of your year is taken up with just watching football. So the lower wages sort of compensate for that.

This is not like when Clarke took over. Revolution is not necessary. We just need someone to give our players the confidence to express themselves in the final 3rd, and shed some of the dead weight.

[Hertsscot]

2 minutes ago, Tartan blood said:

 We just need someone to give our players the confidence to express themselves in the final 3rd, and shed some of the dead weight.

It may be hiring a good sports psychologist is as important as a new manager.

[slasher]

John McGlynn is about the only Scottish guy I can think of who would fit within the probable budget and would be remotely decent. 

[Lion Rampant]

11 minutes ago, Tartan blood said:

I actually think this job is a hell of a lot more attractive than we realise. Obviously we can't afford a top tier manager currently in a job, but any manager worth their salt would look at the following and be licking their lips:

1. Guaranteed qualification to the Euros and therefore 2 solid years of preparation

 

We don't have guaranteed qualification for Euro 2028.

We still have to play qualifiers, and there are 2 spaces reserved for host nations that don't qualify automatically but in the event that us Wales and Ireland fail to make it automatically we could well be third on that list and lose out.

I'm not 100% sure what the deal is with Northern Ireland, they were originally a host nation but dropped their stadium so I'm working on the assumption that they aren't in contention for one of those 2 spots.

Getting the manager appointment right is so important. Our seeding for the Qualifiers is based on our Nations League performances, not long till those kick off. Do well there and we can be 2nd seeds and facing a much more straightforward qualifying draw.

[Malcolm]

11 minutes ago, slasher said:

John McGlynn is about the only Scottish guy I can think of who would fit within the probable budget and would be remotely decent. 

How about McInnes?

[Tartan blood]

25 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

It may be hiring a good sports psychologist is as important as a new manager.

That's not a bad idea. I remember reading years ago that Andy Murray was the only top level Tennis player that didn't have a sports psychologist. He was genuinely neck and neck with the best for years, but has no where near as many accolades as the other guys. A sports psychologist might have changed that.

[theabsentee]

13 hours ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

Why was he not in the WC squad? That's mental !!

Sorry bud but it's not mental at all. Ure is 22 & in his first season as a regular first team starter, he's doing exceptionally well, but that doesn't mean he could have been some kind of magical solution to our goalscoring problems in the WC.  

   Ure is on a similar career growth path to Barney Stewart. They might be Scotland's future strikers but they might also fizzle out at higher levels of club football. 

  Bowie, even though he isn't as good a natural finisher, is a more complete player and was extremely unlucky not to have made this squad. Ure, on the other hand, may turn out to be our best natural finisher going forward but he has to do it for a bit longer in Sweden or in a higher level League. 

[Malcolm]

1 minute ago, theabsentee said:

Sorry bud but it's not mental at all. Ure is 22 & in his first season as a regular first team starter, he's doing exceptionally well, but that doesn't mean he could have been some kind of magical solution to our goalscoring problems in the WC.  

   Ure is on a similar career growth path to Barney Stewart. They might be Scotland's future strikers but they might also fizzle out at higher levels of club football. 

  Bowie, even though he isn't as good a natural finisher, is a more complete player and was extremely unlucky not to have made this squad. Ure, on the other hand, may turn out to be our best natural finisher going forward but he has to do it for a bit longer in Sweden or in a higher level League. 

never heard of this Ure guy

[darkbluegas]

39 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

It may be hiring a good sports psychologist is as important as a new manager.

After 52 years of this I feel each supporter could be allocated a psychiatrist as well

[DoonTheSlope]

55 minutes ago, bazmidd said:

We need to upgrade the level, Ange Postecoglu, Davie Moyes and Roberto Martinez are all a higher level of manager than Steve Clarke. In normal circumstances none are financially gettable, all 3 are probably Premier League level coaches, but each have links to Scotland and may be interested and available so we should sound all 3 out. We need to raise the bar here if we can.

By the general viewing on here we know that but the SFA will likely go down the who’s turn is it now approach 

My preference is Big Ange. I don’t for one minute think he will take it if offered but the association should be asking the question to the likes of him, Martinez and other high profile figures. They might just ask someone on a good day and who sees a project that could raise their profile and get them a medium-big gig in the top 5 leagues 

Take Hajime Morisayu for example. Maybe he could be looking for a route into Europe. I’ve no idea when his contract expires tbf but if it’s customary like a lot of managers now when they exit the next major tournament then it costs nothing to ask the question 

 

[Malcolm]

Big Dunc throwing his hat in the ring on the tv last night 

[Third Lanark]

1 hour ago, Tartan blood said:

I actually think this job is a hell of a lot more attractive than we realise. Obviously we can't afford a top tier manager currently in a job, but any manager worth their salt would look at the following and be licking their lips:

1. Guaranteed qualification to the Euros and therefore 2 solid years of preparation

2. An established group of extremely talented and experienced internationals that have 2-4 years left in them (McTominay, McGinn, Robertson, Tierney, Ferguson, Gunn, Adams, Shankland, McKenna, Hendry, Souttar)

3. Aside from the above, we do have a decent pool of periphery players to supplement the squad if he is a fan: Burke, McBurnie, Gauld, Morgan etc etc

4. A growing batch of young players that have the world at their feet: Gannon-Doak, Miller, Bowie, Gilmour, Fletcher, Graham, Ure B.Stewart. And these are just the ones that you could make a case for now. More will be added.

5. This is essentially a part time job, where the majority of your year is taken up with just watching football. So the lower wages sort of compensate for that.

This is not like when Clarke took over. Revolution is not necessary. We just need someone to give our players the confidence to express themselves in the final 3rd, and shed some of the dead weight.

Great piece thanks. You are a welcome antidote to Malcolm.

[Third Lanark]

37 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

How about McInnes?

Don't be silly. He's just got the Rangers gig on a much bigger salary. SFA won't buy him out. Unless you are being sarcastic.

[Malcolm]

5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

Don't be silly. He's just got the Rangers gig on a much bigger salary. SFA won't buy him out. Unless you are being sarcastic.

surely the scotland job can match what rangers offer.

 

 

mcinnes said that the Scotland job was the pinnacle for him.

[Tartan Chris]

Has to be Ange.

His awful Forest stint and finishing 17th at Spurs means there won't be European heavyweights falling over themselves to want to appoint him currently.

So he probably needs a national team gig to boost his reputation up again as Poch is doing with the US.

Whole nation now is craving manager who'll actually have a proper go in the next major tournament and there are two years of nations league and friendlies to do this.

I want someone who'll just do logical stuff like Tierney at LB instead of Robertson who is past his best and shouldn't be guarenteed starter any longer.

And direct wide players on both sides. Obviously Doak is there and now Findlay Curtis needs to be given run of starts.

Ange has good experience of the Scottish game and how to handle the media and been international manager before so not something he'd just turn his nose up imo.

Would've looked at McInnes aswell but that is off the agenda for a year at least so he'd more come into contention post Euro 2028.

Other option would be to gamble on someone like Darren Fletcher although I don't think he'd have got anywhere near Carrick's results if he'd got the Man. United caretaker gig last season. However someone on another forum made a good point that Wales have no issue giving a recently retired player the job when they're still young and learning, Hughes, Giggs and Bellamy all got it in last 25 years when all three hadn't managed a club side.

[Saint4805]

I wouldn't trust the SFA to follow the right process and identify the best candidates. We have two excellent Sporting Director types in Dougie Freedman and Davie Weir with excellent track records in recruiting managers and players. Freedman hired Glasner at Palace. Weir has done great things at Brighton. The SFA should outsource the process to one of them, give them a consultancy fee and tell them the budget. Leave it to the real experts and don't seek Sir Alex's blessing FFS.

Edited June 29 by Saint4805

[darkbluegas]

Whoever we appoint they need to come with a proper coach who can get players to implement the managers style of play. 

In final tournaments Clarke clearly had his plan but couldn't get the players do what he had in mind. 

The cock ups at the back weren't entirely down to the individuals. Other players should have been in position to offer the options the overall plan was looking to achieve.

Maybe this time if we appoint an experienced manager he will bring with him top coaches to work closely with the players 

[scotlad]

14 hours ago, Hertsscot said:

Far from it. I think most Belgium and Portugal fans feel the same.

Aye, I think the 'Roberto Martinez is an elite manager' spell has finally lifted!

He isn't a complete dooly, but no genuinely big club would go anywhere near him. He could maybe still get a gig at a lower-to-middling team in one of the big leagues. I'm slightly surprised Celtic didn't go for him, he'd have probably done well there.

[scotlad]

6 hours ago, Burj_Alba said:

Think if Darren Fletcher applies and gets a reference from Sir Alex, then he will get it.

The SFA as we know them are always infatuated by people of Fergie's ilk.

I would not be against DF, and he would command respect for his Scotland playing career and achievements at club level.

It is a big step from Man U under age groups but other countries have tried it and succeeded.

Problem is, if does well in his time with us, big clubs will come sniffing with big offers.

Fletcher's career as an EPL player has probably resulted in him building up a strong network of really good coaches who could work alongside him too.

I wouldn't be dead against Fletcher getting the gig, if he fancied it. He seems like an intelligent guy and he's probably the closest thing to a legend we have from that time period. Plus, he is unburdened by any association with either side of the Old Firm nonsense, so he's a helpfully neutral figure in that respect.

The rookie manager approach has worked okay for Wales, although it doesn't always work out - look at Steve Staunton's disastrous stint in charge of the Irish national team!

[Burj_Alba]

1 hour ago, Malcolm said:

Of course McInnes could have a terrible start at Ibrox and "become available"

The hordes are not over enamoured by the appointment and could turn into a Russell Martin type of situation. 

Too late though as we need someone I would say before mid August.

 

surely the scotland job can match what rangers offer.

 

 

mcinnes said that the Scotland job was the pinnacle for him.

 

[RanelaghScot]

I do have a fear of a George Burley-esque appointment and reign. Coming off of the feel good factor of Smith & McLeish back in 2007 when we were so close to beating Italy to qualification to Euro 2008 and then Burley ushered in the start of a dark decade of disappointment. 

For this reason I hope we stay away from any Open All Mics candidates and go for Ange or pull a Motherwell-esque Scandinavian pick out the bag.

[Toepoke]

38 minutes ago, scotlad said:

Aye, I think the 'Roberto Martinez is an elite manager' spell has finally lifted!

He isn't a complete dooly, but no genuinely big club would go anywhere near him. He could maybe still get a gig at a lower-to-middling team in one of the big leagues. I'm slightly surprised Celtic didn't go for him, he'd have probably done well there.

We might get Austin McPhee back with him?

 

[theabsentee]

22 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

surely the scotland job can match what rangers offer.

 

 

mcinnes said that the Scotland job was the pinnacle for him.

 Moyes might be too old by the time it comes around again, but I do expect McInnes to be a future Scotland manager. Absolutely no chance at this time though, so let's not waste time discussing it. 

  Alex Neil or Darren Fletcher with a more experienced team behind him are the most sensible and realistic choices. 

 If we went for a foreigner Thomas Frank would be the dream, but we can't afford him. I wouldn't mind an experienced foreigner as long as he's the right type of character which suits Scottish mentality. Perhaps Slaven Bilic is affordable. He was a top player & tough guy who would command the players respect. 

  

  

[Toepoke]

Heard Darren Jackson on the radio yesterday touting his dream team of John Collins & Gary McAllister 🤨

[er yir macaroon]

2 hours ago, Malcolm said:

never heard of this Ure guy

He's been mentioned loads of times on here.