New manager

[GHfaeGTA]

49 minutes ago, biffer said:

Australia had to play Japan and Saudi. By ranking that’s about the same as us playing Denmark and Greece. 

And all 3 qualified! 

[DoonTheSlope]

58 minutes ago, immcinto said:

Neither did Scotland. Are you saying the squad was still tired from the previous year's qualifying campaign?

Conveniently edited out the second part of the quote 

49 minutes ago, biffer said:

Australia had to play Japan and Saudi. By ranking that’s about the same as us playing Denmark and Greece. 

At least you didn’t. 

Not my argument. I’m merely highlighting what’s often been trotted out in the past when people have compared us to Australia 

[Hertsscot]

16 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

My concern is that Clarke’s resignation may have caught the SFA off guard and they just rush in and play eeny meeny miney mo with the list of usual suspects. 

It's a tricky job. The squad needs an overhaul. There's a balancing act in retaining good and experienced players who've at least helped us get to tournaments whilst bringing in new blood. Some retirements may help in the decision making.

[DoonTheSlope]

25 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

My concern is that Clarke’s resignation may have caught the SFA off guard and they just rush in and play eeny meeny miney mo with the list of usual suspects. 

Do you really believe they have the acumen and foresight to do it any other way regardless?

[Big Ramy 1314]

The New incoming Manager needs to read my post !!! 

You ignore all the results from our past. You ignore who got us to the tournament's. You ignore who Clarkes favorites were....

You start with a clean slate.. You pick the 11 most talented players every match, regardless of who they are, and who they play for..

This is a complete rebuild. Every player you bring in this squad is there on ability, personality, and availability....

Do this my friend, and you will have success... 

Oh, and your number one priority ... Find a goal scorer.. 

Finally, if you are good enough, you are old enough, play them. Don't sit them on the fucking bench.....

Yir welcome.. BR 1314🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👊

[Caledonian Craig]

41 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

My concern is that Clarke’s resignation may have caught the SFA off guard and they just rush in and play eeny meeny miney mo with the list of usual suspects. 

I am never optimistic with the SFA's selection process anyway. That was why I stood by Clarke, terrified in the knowledge that the SFA decide the replacement not the fans.

Edited June 28 by Caledonian Craig

[exile]

2 minutes ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

The New incoming Manager needs to read my post !!! 

You ignore all the results from our past. You ignore who got us to the tournament's. You ignore who Clarkes favorites were....

You start with a clean slate.. You pick the 11 most talented players every match, regardless of who they are, and who they play for..

This is a complete rebuild. Every player you bring in this squad is there on ability, personality, and availability....

Do this my friend, and you will have success... 

Oh, and your number one priority ... Find a goal scorer.. 

Finally, if you are good enough, you are old enough, play them. Don't sit them on the fucking bench.....

Yir welcome.. BR 1314🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👊

Pick from the most talented... and mould them into a workable team.

Find a goal scorer... and a system to support them scoring. 👍

[0Neils40yarder]

21 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

I just feel he lack managerial experience at this time. But I suppose you could counter that with how well Craig Bellamy has done at Wales with very little experience.

I think it would be very advantageous for him to know a lot about players available to him and the nature of the game played in Scotland to realise the differences between it and international football. Always felt Vogts struggled because of that primarily.

I look at the English fella thats taken over at Sweden...I doubt he had any real knowledge of fitba over there. 

Its drastically different times from when Vogts took over...technology is used far more to identify players, and the squad isn't in need of a major overhaul, just a real freshening up. Vogts came into a squad who had become ancient together

[0Neils40yarder]

24 minutes ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

The New incoming Manager needs to read my post !!! 

You ignore all the results from our past. You ignore who got us to the tournament's. You ignore who Clarkes favorites were....

You start with a clean slate.. You pick the 11 most talented players every match, regardless of who they are, and who they play for..

This is a complete rebuild. Every player you bring in this squad is there on ability, personality, and availability....

Do this my friend, and you will have success... 

Oh, and your number one priority ... Find a goal scorer.. 

Finally, if you are good enough, you are old enough, play them. Don't sit them on the fucking bench.....

Yir welcome.. BR 1314🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👊

Agree with all of that, other than the major overhaul part...I dont think thats required

[Lion Rampant]

5 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

I look at the English fella thats taken over at Sweden...I doubt he had any real knowledge of fitba over there. 

Its drastically different times from when Vogts took over...technology is used far more to identify players, and the squad isn't in need of a major overhaul, just a real freshening up. Vogts came into a squad who had become ancient together

Eh? Graham Potter managed in Sweden for 7 years and still had a house there which he was living in when Sweden approached him. 

He speaks fluent Swedish. I'm sure he knew plenty about the Swedish game. 

[0Neils40yarder]

3 minutes ago, Lion Rampant said:

Eh? Graham Potter managed in Sweden for 7 years and still had a house there which he was living in when Sweden approached him. 

He speaks fluent Swedish. I'm sure he knew plenty about the Swedish game. 

Ha...shows what I know about him then 

[DoonTheSlope]

8 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

I look at the English fella thats taken over at Sweden...I doubt he had any real knowledge of fitba over there. 

It’s drastically different times from when Vogts took over...technology is used far more to identify players, and the squad isn't in need of a major overhaul, just a real freshening up. Vogts came into a squad who had become ancient together

He had 7 years worth of managerial experience in Sweden where he worked closely alongside Billy Reid. He took his Osterunds side from the third tier to the Allsvenskan with a cup thrown in

[Lion Rampant]

1 minute ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Ha...shows what I know about him then 

🤣 No worries! 

A comparable appointment for us would be Postecoglu, someone who has been in the country, knows the game here and knows the media. 

Unfortunately I don't think he's going to be remotely interested.

[scotlad]

6 hours ago, Hertsscot said:

Might as well open up a discussion on this. Who do you (realistically) want? Who don't you want?

Struggling to think at the minute so long as Scot Gemmill is nowhere near being in charge.

I can actually see a temporary appointment being made.

We've around three months until the next game. Unless they find someone in the meantime they'll have to give it to someone on an interim basis. Naisy seems an obvious choice, or ask big Sam Allardyce to step in - at least we won't have to worry about that playing out from the back pish that cost us against Brazil! 😄

Anyone but Scot Gemmill though.

[mccaughey85]

1 hour ago, Lion Rampant said:

For me there's not one Scottish manager out there who will come in and do a better job. 

Maybe someone like Ange or Hjulmand would make some improvements and keep us at the tournaments and maybe make us take the next step. Only time will tell. 

I'm really sceptical that a change in manager will improve anything,hopefully I'm wrong on that. 

I don't mind that Clarke has walked away but who we replace him with could end up being a disaster. We have seen years of misery before Clarke and it's not unlikely that it could end up being that way again if we get this new appointment wrong.

[bigfingers]

4 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

I don't mind that Clarke has walked away but who we replace him with could end up being a disaster. We have seen years of misery before Clarke and it's not unlikely that it could end up being that way again if we get this new appointment wrong.

Clarkes record in nations league and qualifiers is class. If we start doing poorly in those I’ll be worried. 

[scotlad]

5 hours ago, Barney Rubble said:

Rino Gattuso?

He's just taken over at Lazio, I think.

5 hours ago, exile said:

What about Slaven Bilic? Was it rumoured he might once have been interested in the Scotland job?

"He led the team to the quarter-finals of the 2008 European Championship... He was praised for his long-standing service to the national side and credited with successfully overseeing the introduction of a series of young players from the under-21 squad to the senior side."

I'd be happy with Billic.

I don't remember him being linked with Scotland before, but he did put in for the Ireland job (I think the stumbling block there was he insisted on bringing his own coaching team, which was a no-no for the FAI for some reason).

5 hours ago, Saint4805 said:

Can't edit my post above but I'd be sounding out Kasper Hjulmand. His Denmark side were excellent and following Alonso at Leverkusen was always going to be tough  He's currently out of work too 

I hadn't realised he'd left Leverkusen - he was one of my preferences to take over from Clarke after the Euros. He'd be an excellent appointment if we could persuade him, although I suspect he isn't short of potential suitors.

Gus Poyet is another possibility - did pretty well with Greece and also threw his hat in the ring for the Ireland job. Out of work currently after a stint in Saudi (I think).

[mccaughey85]

1 minute ago, bigfingers said:

Clarkes record in nations league and qualifiers is class. If we start doing poorly in those I’ll be worried. 

We have a poor nations league in September/October then we might be begging Clarke to come back lol 😆 

[Lion Rampant]

3 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

I don't mind that Clarke has walked away but who we replace him with could end up being a disaster. We have seen years of misery before Clarke and it's not unlikely that it could end up being that way again if we get this new appointment wrong.

Clarke has been a victim of his own success, qualifying for tournaments was something we could only dream of since 1998 until he finally got us there. Now it's not enough, and the bar is performances at finals and progress through the group stage 

I get the clamour for change, he's taken the team as far as he can and I'm not sure he's got it in him to take us to a tournament and have us playing the type of football everyone wants to see. 

I'm not really convinced there's anyone out there who would want the job that can do much better, hopefully I'm wrong. 

[bigfingers]

I can’t see the squad getting totally ripped up unless players retire. Least a new manager will start picking players on form rather than reputation so we should see a few changes to the squad. Goalkeeper wise is a total nightmare as there is no one playing for their clubs and that’ll frustrate the hell out of whoever comes in. 

[mccaughey85]

4 minutes ago, Lion Rampant said:

Clarke has been a victim of his own success, qualifying for tournaments was something we could only dream of since 1998 until he finally got us there. Now it's not enough, and the bar is performances at finals and progress through the group stage 

I get the clamour for change, he's taken the team as far as he can and I'm not sure he's got it in him to take us to a tournament and have us playing the type of football everyone wants to see. 

I'm not really convinced there's anyone out there who would want the job that can do much better, hopefully I'm wrong. 

Yeh I agree with what you are saying.

I think another manager could have us playing better at a tournament but wether that manager gets us to a tournament is not a certainty. Clarke consistently got good results in qualifying and I am not sure another manager will do that.

Clarke definitely raised the bar in terms of expectations but the level of squad we have isn't good enough to expect much more than what we achieved imo. Saying that we should have gotten out the groups of one of the three tournaments we were at so I understand the criticism regarding that. 

[Dodger]

4 hours ago, BryanBlessed said:

I don't think so at all. Look ar Ghana against England. They were well organised and stopped England creating much. I haven't seen that level of organisation from Scotland in years. We can't even sort out our press or having the right distance between defence and midfield

Given the grief Clarke got for being too defensive, I can't believe anyone would want the Ghana manager. He's well known for playing the most defensive anti-football known to man.

[AlfieMoon]

6 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

Yeh I agree with what you are saying.

I think another manager could have us playing better at a tournament but wether that manager gets us to a tournament is not a certainty. Clarke consistently got good results in qualifying and I am not sure another manager will do that.

Clarke definitely raised the bar in terms of expectations but the level of squad we have isn't good enough to expect much more than what we achieved imo. Saying that we should have gotten out the groups of one of the three tournaments we were at so I understand the criticism regarding that. 

Yep, this will be the test for everyone that thinks it’s easy to qualify these days with the expanded formats. 
 

Did the last 2 qualifying campaigns feel like easy? Taking 3 points against Spain. Winning in Norway. 2 campaign wins against top seeds Denmark. I don’t think I ever got the sense that any of that was or should have been a formality for us. 
 

Aside from all that what is often not noted is the massive difference in results against teams below us. There’s no longer been the draws/losses that scarred us over Smith/McLeish/Burley/Strachan. Results like 0-1 losses at home to Belarus, Norway, draws with Lithuania, Slovenia, losses to Kazakhstan. The list goes on. Clarke more or less eliminated those disastrous results. 
 

I don’t disagree that things had come to a head and needed change but I’m not confident that we’ll see improvement in outcomes. 

[fringo]

29 minutes ago, bigfingers said:

I can’t see the squad getting totally ripped up unless players retire. Least a new manager will start picking players on form rather than reputation so we should see a few changes to the squad. Goalkeeper wise is a total nightmare as there is no one playing for their clubs and that’ll frustrate the hell out of whoever comes in. 

I suspect that sometime this week Craig Gordon will retire from international football. Will be a shame but totally understandable at his age and he's not considered No.1 anymore. In my mind he's been one of the all time Scotland great players. 

 

[TDYER63]

1 hour ago, DoonTheSlope said:

Do you really believe they have the acumen and foresight to do it any other way regardless?

 

1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said:

I am never optimistic with the SFA's selection process anyway. That was why I stood by Clarke, terrified in the knowledge that the SFA decide the replacement not the fans.

Despite how it may appear, I am infact an eternal optimist! However, dependent on who Clarke’s successor is, this could be a very long season watching St Mirren and Scotland . I don’t think I could take another ‘meh’ appointment. 
 

There does seem to be actual talk in the media about the possibility of Ange being appointed. I know its  all bullshit,  but the very idea that he could be a contender is exciting. It would be a risky move because if the players are not up to his style of play it could be a disaster, but it would certainly confirm whether or not  the players are capable .