syecosse Posted April 18 Posted April 18 Porteus saying he has also been on the phone to Clarke and saying similar to McBurnie about loyalty to players. Quote
romanticscot Posted April 18 Author Posted April 18 1 hour ago, syecosse said: Porteus saying he has also been on the phone to Clarke and saying similar to McBurnie about loyalty to players. This quote paints Clarke in a better light, essentially saying make my decision hard. Doesn't close the door or push a player away. He has not given up hope of making the Scotland squad for this summer’s World Cup, despite earning his last cap more than a year ago. He started Scotland’s opening game at Euro 2024 but was sent off shortly before half time for conceding a penalty after fouling Ilkay Gundogan, a moment that has cast a long shadow over his international career. We don’t discuss it but he remains eager to return to the Scotland fold. He has played just one minute of international football since, as a substitute in the UEFA Nations League play-off victory over Greece in March 2025. He remains fiercely supportive of Steve Clarke and reveals that the national team head coach was in touch with him recently. “Everyone knows how Steve operates; fans can get frustrated if they want, but his job is to qualify for tournaments, and he’s done that consistently,” Porteous says. “He’s always going to be loyal to the lads who got him there, and he’s been like that with me in the past, and he’s right to be. “I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago about where he sees me compared to the last time he watched me, and where I might rank in his squad. I don’t think I’m too far away. “I’ve made it clear, and he knows, that Scotland has always been my priority. That first-cap feeling is hard to compare to anything in club football, and I want that back. “He told me to keep doing what I’m doing and give him a sore head for the summer. I know myself when I’m playing well and in a good place, and this is the best I’ve felt in a while.” PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions Quote
thesaint Posted April 18 Posted April 18 On 4/17/2026 at 10:35 PM, Diamond Scot said: Does McBurnie not have 14, Hirst 10, Conway 9 and Dyles 3? McBurnie is probably competing with Hirst and Conway for the 4th striker position. I dont think those numbers are significantly better. If he had 10 goals in a top division it would be different. Personally I like McBurnie better than Hirst but equally I can see what Clarke has done over the years. It wasnt long ago we were calling up anybody who had a good game and we were also getting 2 or 3 call offs from every single squad. McBurnie was out injured for two months to be fair.Strike rate is far better. Quote
Yosemite Sam Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) 19 hours ago, thesaint said: McBurnie was out injured for two months to be fair.Strike rate is far better. It really is and more assists too Edited April 19 by Yosemite Sam Quote
Diamond Scot Posted April 19 Posted April 19 22 hours ago, thesaint said: McBurnie was out injured for two months to be fair.Strike rate is far better. Has Stewart not been out for ages aswell? Quote
vanderark14 Posted April 20 Posted April 20 11 hours ago, Diamond Scot said: Has Stewart not been out for ages aswell? He sure has but that doesn't count for a small few on here. Some seems to be absolutely desperate to blast Clarke and make McBurnie out to be the knight in shining armour Quote
vanderark14 Posted April 20 Posted April 20 On 4/18/2026 at 4:49 PM, GHfaeGTA said: Burke a good shout. Just scored again in Bundesliga was this not his first goal in months? Quote
ceudmilefailte Posted April 20 Posted April 20 13 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: was this not his first goal in months? Yep. But it was in Germany so it counts as five. Quote
Caledonian Craig Posted April 20 Posted April 20 32 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: was this not his first goal in months? In no way, shape or form is Burke a prolific goalscorer (none of ours are) but he offers something none of our other strikers have which is pace. If he is on as sub it will be enough to make teams against us be more cautious. Quote
mccaughey85 Posted April 20 Posted April 20 8 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: In no way, shape or form is Burke a prolific goalscorer (none of ours are) but he offers something none of our other strikers have which is pace. If he is on as sub it will be enough to make teams against us be more cautious. I would include him as a winger in our squad. Quote
kumnio Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Oliver Burke almost certainly isnt a starter for us, he would be a replacement for Doak, a player who would give us something different than the other strikers likely to get called up This season... Burke, played 24 scored 4 Doak, played 6 scored 0 Dyke, played 38 scored 5 Adams, played 28 scored 5 Shankland, played 23, scored 13 George Hirst, played 36, scored 10 Shankland the only one with a good record Quote
vanderark14 Posted April 20 Posted April 20 46 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: In no way, shape or form is Burke a prolific goalscorer (none of ours are) but he offers something none of our other strikers have which is pace. If he is on as sub it will be enough to make teams against us be more cautious. He has one assist to his name and 5 goals. He's fast, is that the only reason to bring him into the fold? Quote
Caledonian Craig Posted April 20 Posted April 20 48 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: He has one assist to his name and 5 goals. He's fast, is that the only reason to bring him into the fold? Yes I would say it is. Pace is gold dust. What does Hirst for example bring to the team? Quote
broraboy Posted April 20 Posted April 20 2 hours ago, kumnio said: Oliver Burke almost certainly isnt a starter for us, he would be a replacement for Doak, a player who would give us something different than the other strikers likely to get called up This season... Burke, played 24 scored 4 Doak, played 6 scored 0 Dyke, played 38 scored 5 Adams, played 28 scored 5 Shankland, played 23, scored 13 George Hirst, played 36, scored 10 Shankland the only one with a good record And Shankland is slower than Youself and I Can score from inside the box though Quote
Caledonian Craig Posted April 20 Posted April 20 2 hours ago, kumnio said: Oliver Burke almost certainly isnt a starter for us, he would be a replacement for Doak, a player who would give us something different than the other strikers likely to get called up This season... Burke, played 24 scored 4 Doak, played 6 scored 0 Dyke, played 38 scored 5 Adams, played 28 scored 5 Shankland, played 23, scored 13 George Hirst, played 36, scored 10 Shankland the only one with a good record And neither is Hirst a starter for us. Point is what problem would he pose for the opposition coming on for the last 15 minutes? No pace for sure unlike Burke. Quote
Super_Scotlandfan Posted April 20 Posted April 20 2 hours ago, kumnio said: Oliver Burke almost certainly isnt a starter for us, he would be a replacement for Doak, a player who would give us something different than the other strikers likely to get called up This season... Burke, played 24 scored 4 Doak, played 6 scored 0 Dyke, played 38 scored 5 Adams, played 28 scored 5 Shankland, played 23, scored 13 George Hirst, played 36, scored 10 Shankland the only one with a good record Can add a little bit of nuance to compare a bit better. And it’s obviously easier for a penalty box type striker who take pens and plays for the team top of the league in Scotland. In that context Shankland’s record isn’t brilliant. Burke, 5 goals in Bundesliga (not 4 as you state), 0 pens, goal every 267 mins. Dykes, 5 goals in English Champ, 0 pens, goal every 370 mins. Adams, 5 goals in Serie A, 0 pens, goal every 353 mins. (He also scored 2 goals against Roma in the Italian cup that would change his goals per mins ratio to 282 but have only compared league goals. None of the others compared have actually scored a cup goal.) Shankland, 13 goals in Scottish Prem, 3 pens, goal every 157 mins, non penalty goal every 205 mins. Hirst, 10 goals in English Champ, 1 pen, goal every 200mins, non penalty goal every 222 mins. Conway, 10 goals in English Champ, 3 pens, goal every 340 mins, non penalty goal every 406 mins. But played mainly left wing. Quote
bdgsct Posted April 20 Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, Super_Scotlandfan said: Can add a little bit of nuance to compare a bit better. And it’s obviously easier for a penalty box type striker who take pens and plays for the team top of the league in Scotland. In that context Shankland’s record isn’t brilliant. Burke, 5 goals in Bundesliga (not 4 as you state), 0 pens, goal every 267 mins. Dykes, 5 goals in English Champ, 0 pens, goal every 370 mins. Adams, 5 goals in Serie A, 0 pens, goal every 353 mins. (He also scored 2 goals against Roma in the Italian cup that would change his goals per mins ratio to 282 but have only compared league goals. None of the others compared have actually scored a cup goal.) Shankland, 13 goals in Scottish Prem, 3 pens, goal every 157 mins, non penalty goal every 205 mins. Hirst, 10 goals in English Champ, 1 pen, goal every 200mins, non penalty goal every 222 mins. Conway, 10 goals in English Champ, 3 pens, goal every 340 mins, non penalty goal every 406 mins. But played mainly left wing. I think for fairness given that some have played wide on occasion, average minutes per goal involvements (goal or assist) would be fairest comparison. I'd be surprised if Mcburnie wasn't top of that list given he was injured for 2 months. Quote
bdgsct Posted April 20 Posted April 20 1 minute ago, bdgsct said: I think for fairness given that some have played wide on occasion, average minutes per goal involvements (goal or assist) would be fairest comparison. I'd be surprised if Mcburnie wasn't top of that list given he was injured for 2 months. Average minutes per goal involvement (goal or assist). Includes cups. Mcburnie 1 every 123 minutes Dykes 1 every 209 minutes Adams 1 every 197 minutes Bowie 1 every 205 minutes Burke 1 every 240 minutes Hirst 1 every 175 minutes R. Stewart 1 every 96 minutes Shankland 1 every 113 minutes Quote
mccaughey85 Posted April 20 Posted April 20 24 minutes ago, Super_Scotlandfan said: Can add a little bit of nuance to compare a bit better. And it’s obviously easier for a penalty box type striker who take pens and plays for the team top of the league in Scotland. In that context Shankland’s record isn’t brilliant. Burke, 5 goals in Bundesliga (not 4 as you state), 0 pens, goal every 267 mins. Dykes, 5 goals in English Champ, 0 pens, goal every 370 mins. Adams, 5 goals in Serie A, 0 pens, goal every 353 mins. (He also scored 2 goals against Roma in the Italian cup that would change his goals per mins ratio to 282 but have only compared league goals. None of the others compared have actually scored a cup goal.) Shankland, 13 goals in Scottish Prem, 3 pens, goal every 157 mins, non penalty goal every 205 mins. Hirst, 10 goals in English Champ, 1 pen, goal every 200mins, non penalty goal every 222 mins. Conway, 10 goals in English Champ, 3 pens, goal every 340 mins, non penalty goal every 406 mins. But played mainly left wing. Tbf Roma are a decent side so scoring a couple v them is impressive. I would quite like to see shankland start v Haiti because he's a natural finisher and we will probably get chances in that match. I think Clarke will go with Adams though. Also does burke always start up front for his club? Quote
Super_Scotlandfan Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Worth adding Ross Stewart, McBurnie and Bowie too. Stewart, 6 goals in English Champ, 0 pens, goal every 149 mins. He also scored 2 goals in the FA Cup, 1 pen against Fulham and the impressive one against Arsenal. His non penalty frequency would be a goal every 143 if this counted. McBurnie, 14 goals in English Champ, 2 pens, goal every 189 mins, non penalty goal every 220mins. Bowie, 8 goals in Scottish Prem plus 2 in Serie A, 0 pens, goal every 236 mins. Based on these stats, their playing styles and trying to keep a bit of cohesion I’d take: Adams, Dykes, Shankland and Stewart. And try to take Burke and Conway as wingers. Hirst is unlucky but hasn’t done quite enough to usurp Dykes, given what he’s done before and popularity in the squad. Same with McBurnie, non penalty rate of 222 isn’t incredible and he’d need to be to drop someone like Shankland who has benefitted the squad recently and scored a decent amount at his club. But not convinced by his numbers so he’s lucky. Ross Stewart’s record shows he would have scored much more this season if he hadn’t been injured. We’d potentially be leaving our best striker at home by not picking him. Would be mental IMO. Bowie hasn’t done quite enough but could force his way in. There should be space for Conway as a left winger and a sub right winger in Burke. Quote
vanderark14 Posted April 21 Posted April 21 9 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes I would say it is. Pace is gold dust. What does Hirst for example bring to the team? So forget everything else that goes against burke, he's fast so let's get him in. Got ye Quote
csinclair Posted April 21 Posted April 21 13 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: Tbf Roma are a decent side so scoring a couple v them is impressive. I would quite like to see shankland start v Haiti because he's a natural finisher and we will probably get chances in that match. I think Clarke will go with Adams though. Also does burke always start up front for his club? Burke tends to be on the right of a front 3 when he plays Quote
DoonTheSlope Posted April 21 Posted April 21 Confirmation in the form of two recent accounts that it’s a case of caps for boys under Jurassic Clarke Quote
ceudmilefailte Posted April 21 Posted April 21 56 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Confirmation in the form of two recent accounts that it’s a case of caps for boys under Jurassic Clarke Don’t worry his incredible run of good luck will continue. We will beat Haiti in the same sort of way we got past Belarus and thanks to a clutch of unlikely results qualify for the last 32. This should ensure Clarke his knighthood and place in history as the greatest manager in the world ever. Quote
scotlad Posted April 21 Posted April 21 10 hours ago, vanderark14 said: So forget everything else that goes against burke, he's fast so let's get him in. Got ye Burke is no great player but he's being spoken about in the same breath as Scottish Prem and English Championship players, yet he has played in the EPL, La Liga and is now a regular in the Bundesliga. He must be doing something right. Quote
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