The history thread

[exile]

The end of history? I don't think so. It's time for the history thread part 2.

I'll fill in some history later but this is just to get it up and running again after... the old one seems to have been deleted.

[exile]

The first 'Scots' in America were probably Orcadian Vikings who sailed there with other Vikings to establish the colony of Vinland. So they'd be the first Scots in what we now call Canada, around the year 1000. So, new found land before Newfoundland, and nova Scotia before Nova Scotia. 

They had some nice things like grapes, and wine, hence the name which means Wine Land or the Land of Vines.

Well, it must have sounded better than Iceland, or Greenland. 

[Ally Bongo]

It was deleted after i reported a post by a newbie called Patterson 

It was along the lines of an oft used anti semitic trope for the origins of WW2 in that it was all the idea of the World banks and that Hitler had made a deal with the Zionists etc etc 

He then added a racist quote regarding a "white Europe" and attributed it to Hitler when it was actually the former PM of Rhodesia Ian Smith  

A charming individual 

[exile]

46 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

It was deleted after i reported a post by a newbie called Patterson 

It was along the lines of an oft used anti semitic trope for the origins of WW2 in that it was all the idea of the World banks and that Hitler had made a deal with the Zionists etc etc 

He then added a racist quote regarding a "white Europe" and attributed it to Hitler when it was actually the former PM of Rhodesia Ian Smith  

A charming individual 

Yes thanks, I saw that. I reported it too. Thankfully it's been taken down.

(It's the first time I have reported anything, but it seemed appropriate given the traditional TAMB rules.)

The same individual made a provocative quip on the "Who is coming over for World Cup" thread (that elicited the reaction to "go f---yourself")... the comment and thread are still there. 

[vanderark14]

11 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

It was deleted after i reported a post by a newbie called Patterson 

It was along the lines of an oft used anti semitic trope for the origins of WW2 in that it was all the idea of the World banks and that Hitler had made a deal with the Zionists etc etc 

He then added a racist quote regarding a "white Europe" and attributed it to Hitler when it was actually the former PM of Rhodesia Ian Smith  

A charming individual 

I don't see why the entire thread should be deleted. 

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

I don't see why the entire thread should be deleted. 

Agreed 

[exile]

10 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

I don't see why the entire thread should be deleted. 

Me neither. It looks as if they must also have deleted the other thread that poster posted to - that I referred to above - "Who is coming over for World Cup"

[Ally Bongo]

When i was banned all my posts went along with every thread i had started 

As the offender didnt start any of the threads i have no idea why they have gone if he has also been banned 

The Mods were previously able to delete posts and ban someone without all of their posts being removed

They could also have deleted the offending post and suspended the user indefinitely  

[exile]

Before their union, Scotland and England were on different landmasses. Scotland shared a continent with North America while England was part of Avalonia joined to Africa and South America. They were separated by the Iapetus Ocean, that was closed up when Scotland and England collided, to create the Southern Uplands. This was about 425 million years ago. Maybe pre-history rather than history, right enough.

https://www.scottishgeologytrust.org/geology/scotlands-geology/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonian_orogeny

 

Edited November 28 by exile

[Grim Jim]

3 hours ago, exile said:

Me neither. It looks as if they must also have deleted the other thread that poster posted to - that I referred to above - "Who is coming over for World Cup"

Ya grass 😄

[Ally Bongo]

20 minutes ago, Grim Jim said:

Ya grass 😄

Me too

Once you surpass 55 years of age you obtain immunity from being labelled a grass due to your maturity, experience and general goodwill to the wider community ...

[Grim Jim]

1 hour ago, exile said:

Before their union, Scotland and England were on different landmasses. Scotland shared a continent with North America while England was part of Avalonia joined to Africa and South America. They were separated by the Iapetus Ocean, that was closed up when Scotland and England collided, to create the Southern Uplands. This was about 425 million years ago. Maybe pre-history rather than history, right enough.

https://www.scottishgeologytrust.org/geology/scotlands-geology/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonian_orogeny

 

I love geology.   Just can't beat a good orogeny.

I think it was the BBC's Earth Story narrated by Aubrey Manning that got me into it.   Either that or the book I had before it and the TV series took me over the edge.   (Dunno where the fekkin' book's gone now. Aaaarg! 🤬)

I'd be on a beach or a hillwalk and pick up a stone and see there was a reason for everything in the universe.   How was it made? How did it get here?   ...I'd no fekkin' idea.   I didn't have step 1 - - - the chemistry to know the rock's structure 🤪

 

[Grim Jim]

8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Me too

Once you surpass 55 years of age you obtain immunity from being labelled a grass due to your maturity, experience and general goodwill to the wider community ...

We need to get one of our resident stattos to plot age versus stroppy posts on this forum!

[exile]

1 hour ago, Grim Jim said:

Ya grass 😄

I didn't grass on that one. But it was like a taunt at the Tartan Army so it was asking for it.

[exile]

42 minutes ago, Grim Jim said:

I love geology.   Just can't beat a good orogeny.

I think it was the BBC's Earth Story narrated by Aubrey Manning that got me into it.   Either that or the book I had before it and the TV series took me over the edge.   (Dunno where the fekkin' book's gone now. Aaaarg! 🤬)

I'd be on a beach or a hillwalk and pick up a stone and see there was a reason for everything in the universe.   How was it made? How did it get here?   ...I'd no fekkin' idea.   I didn't have step 1 - - - the chemistry to know the rock's structure 🤪

 

If you throw in dinosaurs and trilobites in ancient oceans and a rivers that used to run the other way up the glen into where there used to be an ocean, or when it was in the tropics, and giant tropical marine trilobites where there is now just heather and scree.... there is something surreal about it. Chemistry, not so much.

[Big Ramy 1314]

4 hours ago, exile said:

Me neither. It looks as if they must also have deleted the other thread that poster posted to - that I referred to above - "Who is coming over for World Cup"

It was "Paterson" I believe in the who coming to world Cup. He made a derogatory comments about kilts, calling us "skirts". I replied by telling him to go fuck himself !!  Yae know me. Lol

[StirlingEgg]

1 hour ago, Grim Jim said:

We need to get one of our resident stattos to plot age versus stroppy posts on this forum!

😂 

Does it hit a peak then dribble about back down to not giving a fook?...

[Grim Jim]

3 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said:

😂

Does it hit a peak then dribble about back down to not giving a fook?...

The data won't lie!

[Grim Jim]

40 minutes ago, exile said:

If you throw in dinosaurs and trilobites in ancient oceans and a rivers that used to run the other way up the glen into where there used to be an ocean, or when it was in the tropics, and giant tropical marine trilobites where there is now just heather and scree.... there is something surreal about it. Chemistry, not so much.

I know. Mental. Need the chemistry though to identify (and sometimes age) the crystals in the rock, and my kitchen blender and reading specs don't cut it.

Otherwise your starting from layers of dead beasties and matching them up with identicals ones in the Apalachians or wherever.

I wonder about the Atlantic. (Worry, not yet.)   Ocean seabed rock is denser than continental crust.   After 50-odd million years it's still growing (from the mid ocean ridge as you know), but some day (ok, some eon) its weight will start to drag it under either America or us and the winner(?) gets explosive volcanoes and an Andes size mountain range above the subduction zone ...again.

[exile]

21 hours ago, Grim Jim said:

I know. Mental. Need the chemistry though to identify (and sometimes age) the crystals in the rock, and my kitchen blender and reading specs don't cut it.

Otherwise your starting from layers of dead beasties and matching them up with identicals ones in the Apalachians or wherever.

I wonder about the Atlantic. (Worry, not yet.)   Ocean seabed rock is denser than continental crust.   After 50-odd million years it's still growing (from the mid ocean ridge as you know), but some day (ok, some eon) its weight will start to drag it under either America or us and the winner(?) gets explosive volcanoes and an Andes size mountain range above the subduction zone ...again.

Yes, geology is quite an amalgam of things, from ancient geography to biology (ancient animals) and chemistry (abstract crystals and so on). Not sure about those volcanos. Is it true though that Scotland is rising and England sinking?

[Ally Bongo]

3 minutes ago, exile said:

Yes, geology is quite an amalgam of things, from ancient geography to biology (ancient animals) and chemistry (abstract crystals and so on). Not sure about those volcanos. Is it true though that Scotland is rising and England sinking?

Yes, the statement is based on a geological process where the land is rising in Scotland and sinking in England, often described as a "see-saw" effect

. This is due to the glacial isostatic adjustment, which is the slow rebound of the Earth's crust after the immense weight of ice from the last Ice Age melted. As Scotland's land rises, the more distant crust of southern England sinks

[exile]

Had a peek at this The Entire History of Scotland. It shows the various territories of Scotland coming together; it skims  a bit over most of the history post Union and seems to end at 2014 (not 2025).

I note how they always say things like 'The Caledonians were warlike' - well what do you expect if it's the view of someone trying to invade you?

 

[exile]

5 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Yes, the statement is based on a geological process where the land is rising in Scotland and sinking in England, often described as a "see-saw" effect

. This is due to the glacial isostatic adjustment, which is the slow rebound of the Earth's crust after the immense weight of ice from the last Ice Age melted. As Scotland's land rises, the more distant crust of southern England sinks

Thanks. It's hard to grasp that we're still on the rebound from the ice age. But I'll take it.

[exile]

22 hours ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

It was "Paterson" I believe in the who coming to world Cup. He made a derogatory comments about kilts, calling us "skirts". I replied by telling him to go fuck himself !!  Yae know me. Lol

Yes 😄

[phart]

There's a planet Geo podcast that the geology students I know talk about a lot, way over my head.