Digital ID cards

[TDYER63]

24 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

Should being the word there but the problem is idiot fuckwit parents who let there kids access whatever social media they want.

I've got no issues with banning kids under 16 from social media but if you do, don't blame the government, blame the stupid parents out there 

👍 too many parents are either unaware of the dangers of social media, or just want an easy life. 

[Malcolm]

1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

I said the exact same earlier today. The travel is not appealing in anyway whatsoever. I saw  a video of the queue for the train on match day 😱 made Scotrail look like the pinnacle of efficiency. 
Germany was exhausting too . Took me 5 mins to walk back from the pub on Sunday . It definitely helps the FOMO. 

Check us agreeing again 😉

 

I had a few pangs of jealousy on Saturday in the build up, but now quite glad I’m not there.  The utter ball ache of the travel, and then the queues, not for me.

a few weeks ago I got the option of a ticket for the Brazil game but having mentally decided I wasn’t going to go I turned it down. i just can’t be arsed.

 

[Hertsscot]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

Should being the word there but the problem is idiot fuckwit parents who let there kids access whatever social media they want.

I've got no issues with banning kids under 16 from social media but if you do, don't blame the government, blame the stupid parents out there 

Have to say I was slightly amused that a recent poll had 90% of parents supporting a ban on social media. Wouldn't the simplest solution would be for those parents not to buy their offspring a smart phone, or have I missed something?

[phart]

3 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

BlueSky was originally not required by the Australian government to age verify its users. It age verified voluntarily

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/bluesky-enforces-age-checks-to-comply-with-australias-under-16s-social-media-ban-and-reverses-mississippis-block

 

Yes 

"The government has said this is a dynamic list, so other platforms could be added at a later stage if, for example, kids flee to one after the ban is in effect and it raises similar concerns as the above...

...The eSafety commissioner has flagged that if kids migrate to other services like Lemon8 after the ban, those platforms could be added to the list and would be expected to remove teen accounts."

It wasn't a static concrete list at all, it was the original big user-base ones that were included as an exhaustive list in these circumstances doesn't help quick deployment.  Due to low user numbers bluesky wasn't in the original list but their own lawyers must have decided better safe than sorry and self-assessed it. As did several other platforms like Match, Wizz and a bunch of things i've never heard of. 

Bluesky then self-reported on 12th November and the law went live December 10th 2025. 

 

https://www.esafety.gov.au/about-us/industry-regulation/social-media-age-restrictions/which-platforms-are-age-restricted

 

At no point during the laws coverage have they not complied. 

[Clyde1998]

2 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

Should being the word there but the problem is idiot fuckwit parents who let there kids access whatever social media they want.

I've got no issues with banning kids under 16 from social media but if you do, don't blame the government, blame the stupid parents out there 

I think we have to. A lot of parents simply don't want the responsibility of parenting (whether that comes to social media or anything else).

[DoonTheSlope]

6 hours ago, phart said:

Yes 

"The government has said this is a dynamic list, so other platforms could be added at a later stage if, for example, kids flee to one after the ban is in effect and it raises similar concerns as the above...

...The eSafety commissioner has flagged that if kids migrate to other services like Lemon8 after the ban, those platforms could be added to the list and would be expected to remove teen accounts."

It wasn't a static concrete list at all, it was the original big user-base ones that were included as an exhaustive list in these circumstances doesn't help quick deployment.  Due to low user numbers bluesky wasn't in the original list but their own lawyers must have decided better safe than sorry and self-assessed it. As did several other platforms like Match, Wizz and a bunch of things i've never heard of. 

Bluesky then self-reported on 12th November and the law went live December 10th 2025. 

 

https://www.esafety.gov.au/about-us/industry-regulation/social-media-age-restrictions/which-platforms-are-age-restricted

 

At no point during the laws coverage have they not complied. 

Long way of saying “aye, DTS you were right”

[Saint4805]

12 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

They already have something to prevent illegals working. It’s called a national insurance number. A QR code on a smartphone isn’t going to stop illegals working is it?

Unless it’s going to link in to the CBDC and everyone’s bank accounts in a cashless society but that’ll never happen I keep hearing. It’s just 1 big conspiracy theory 

An NI number is completely useless when it comes to checking someone's right to work and can be easily copied, stolen or misused. A digital ID will have their name, DoB, photo, address, nationality and residency status. Introduce big penalties for employers not checking this properly and things will soon change. The digital ID itself is not enough and needs to be part of a wider program of governance.

I've said before that Digital ID also has many advantages and can make folk's lives easier but everyone wants to shoot it down and focus on the negatives. 

[Saint4805]

8 hours ago, Clyde1998 said:

I think we have to. A lot of parents simply don't want the responsibility of parenting (whether that comes to social media or anything else).

Aye, give them a smartphone and that gets the parents off the hook when it comes to parenting. No need for kickabouts in the park, sports clubs, dance classes, helping with homework and any other traditional ways of helping them learn life and social skills.  

[phart]

3 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

Long way of saying “aye, DTS you were right”

You weren't though. Well apart from the indoctrination being in full swing , but it being yours by the social media algorithm.

 

[vanderark14]

9 hours ago, Clyde1998 said:

I think we have to. A lot of parents simply don't want the responsibility of parenting (whether that comes to social media or anything else).

 

32 minutes ago, Saint4805 said:

Aye, give them a smartphone and that gets the parents off the hook when it comes to parenting. No need for kickabouts in the park, sports clubs, dance classes, helping with homework and any other traditional ways of helping them learn life and social skills.  

I am not perfect at it but what I see from some parents is a real eye opener. 

8 year olds with smart phones, parents dressing their 8 year old girls like they were an 18 year old slapper from Newcastle for school discos. Parents complaining to the school about homework because its "stuff they should do at school", the same parents complaining their kids are not performing at school. Parents complaining to the school that their kids are struggling socially, the same parents tried their kids at several out of school clubs but jacked it in after 1 or 2 weeks because the kid cried for their parents, no encouragement to stick it out from the parents. 

All of the above is stuff I have witnessed, I bet @Hertsscot has seen all of this too

On the subject of Social media, its easy to monitor most apps and sites. Take youtube for example, parental controls are their for parents to use and profiles can be set up for each kid so that each kid has age appropriate content. Messaging is easy to monitor too as an adult account can be linked to it, their are also kid friendly messaging apps like kinzoo available. We have kinzoo and a group message with out daughter, she loves it as she can message grandparents in scotland too.

[Saint4805]

25 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

 

I am not perfect at it but what I see from some parents is a real eye opener. 

8 year olds with smart phones, parents dressing their 8 year old girls like they were an 18 year old slapper from Newcastle for school discos. Parents complaining to the school about homework because its "stuff they should do at school", the same parents complaining their kids are not performing at school. Parents complaining to the school that their kids are struggling socially, the same parents tried their kids at several out of school clubs but jacked it in after 1 or 2 weeks because the kid cried for their parents, no encouragement to stick it out from the parents. 

All of the above is stuff I have witnessed, I bet @Hertsscot has seen all of this too

On the subject of Social media, its easy to monitor most apps and sites. Take youtube for example, parental controls are their for parents to use and profiles can be set up for each kid so that each kid has age appropriate content. Messaging is easy to monitor too as an adult account can be linked to it, their are also kid friendly messaging apps like kinzoo available. We have kinzoo and a group message with out daughter, she loves it as she can message grandparents in scotland too.

I think most sensible folk acknowledge that parenting isn't easy and that nobody's perfect but there's no doubt in my mind that parental entitlement is a big problem in society and that we have seen a significant decline in quality parenting over many years.

I know a few teachers and am shocked at some of the abuse they get. Angry emails from parents most weeks blaming them and the school for anything and everything with zero accountability sitting with the parents. Politicians can't call it out either as it's be political suicide with many parents getting the hump and reacting defensively.

 

[phart]

The only way to protect yourself from social media is not to partake. It's also terrible for attention span as well. I've certainly found mine not as robust as it was. That may be due to nearly being 50 but i think it has reduced across the board. 

 

The whole thing is designed and augmented to maximise engagement. Make you come back and it will do everything it can to ensure that. Feed you what you want to see. Not challenge you in anyway. 

These tech oligarchs are insidious. Causing all sort of problems. 

[DoonTheSlope]

4 hours ago, phart said:

You weren't though. Well apart from the indoctrination being in full swing , but it being yours by the social media algorithm.

 

They weren’t initially required by governmental requirements to ask for age verification though 

[Clyde1998]

9 hours ago, phart said:

The only way to protect yourself from social media is not to partake. It's also terrible for attention span as well. I've certainly found mine not as robust as it was. That may be due to nearly being 50 but i think it has reduced across the board. 

 

The whole thing is designed and augmented to maximise engagement. Make you come back and it will do everything it can to ensure that. Feed you what you want to see. Not challenge you in anyway. 

These tech oligarchs are insidious. Causing all sort of problems. 

There are times I've seen children in pushchairs with their faces glued to tablets with the volume turned up. I've been at football games where kids have tablets on full volume during the game ffs.

The parents wonder why their attention span have been completely fried.

Why do these children even have a tablet though? If the parents hadn't bought it for them (or given them their old one), they wouldn't have access to it.

9 hours ago, Saint4805 said:

I think most sensible folk acknowledge that parenting isn't easy and that nobody's perfect but there's no doubt in my mind that parental entitlement is a big problem in society and that we have seen a significant decline in quality parenting over many years.

I know a few teachers and am shocked at some of the abuse they get. Angry emails from parents most weeks blaming them and the school for anything and everything with zero accountability sitting with the parents. Politicians can't call it out either as it's be political suicide with many parents getting the hump and reacting defensively.

I think these two points are directly related.

Most sensible folk are often not having kids (or many kids), because they have a decent understanding of the time commitment; resources; ability; etc. needed to raise a kid properly. This leads to a decline in parenting in general.

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There's a point about that (apparent) African proverb I've heard though: "it takes a village to raise a child".

Essentially, the whole of society has an impact (not an exhaustive list):

• If we hadn't made it socially acceptable for people to be on their phones all the time; having requirements to have technology to operate in life; etc. perhaps people wouldn't think giving their children this would be normal.
• If we hadn't reduced the ability for children to leave the house (especially without a phone), perhaps they wouldn't have to use technology to pass the time.
• If we hadn't created a society where money often overrides everything else, perhaps parents would have more time and ability to spend time with their children; and/or more sensible people would choose to become parents.

[DoonTheSlope]

That’s yer VPNs up the pole now anaw

 

[DoonTheSlope]

3 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

That’s yer VPNs up the pole now anaw

 

That'll be the dodgy fire sticks redundant 

[TDYER63]

21 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

That'll be the dodgy fire sticks redundant 

Crafty plan to get folk to pay the TV licence 😡

[TDYER63]

39 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said:

There are times I've seen children in pushchairs with their faces glued to tablets with the volume turned up. I've been at football games where kids have tablets on full volume during the game ffs.

The parents wonder why their attention span have been completely fried.

Why do these children even have a tablet though? If the parents hadn't bought it for them (or given them their old one), they wouldn't have access to it.

I think these two points are directly related.

Most sensible folk are often not having kids (or many kids), because they have a decent understanding of the time commitment; resources; ability; etc. needed to raise a kid properly. This leads to a decline in parenting in general.

----

There's a point about that (apparent) African proverb I've heard though: "it takes a village to raise a child".

Essentially, the whole of society has an impact (not an exhaustive list):

• If we hadn't made it socially acceptable for people to be on their phones all the time; having requirements to have technology to operate in life; etc. perhaps people wouldn't think giving their children this would be normal.
• If we hadn't reduced the ability for children to leave the house (especially without a phone), perhaps they wouldn't have to use technology to pass the time.
• If we hadn't created a society where money often overrides everything else, perhaps parents would have more time and ability to spend time with their children; and/or more sensible people would choose to become parents.

Good post 👍

[DoonTheSlope]

If you’re going to get a VPN make sure it’s American based because they’ll have The Honourable President Donald J. Trump to deal with when they try their tyranny on VPN usage

[Orraloon]

29 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

If you’re going to get a VPN make sure it’s American based because they’ll have The Honourable President Donald J. Trump to deal with when they try their tyranny on VPN usage

What do you need a VPN for?

[DoonTheSlope]

2 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

What do you need a VPN for?

Ask the government officials who use them and will be granted special permission to continue using them should they be banned for mere sorry people like you and I 

To answer your question. To block adverts, to watch your programs if your abroad via UK TV channels apps, to watch series unavailable in the UK on other regions Netflix menus, to circumvent the 3pm blackout to watch your club side on a Saturday which would otherwise be impossible. But you already know all of that

You can also have a ham shank on the ❌🐹 without uploading private and personal data to do so. You already know that too

What are you trying to achieve by acting so dense?

 

[Orraloon]

14 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said:

Ask the government officials who use them and will be granted special permission to continue using them should they be banned for mere sorry people like you and I 

To answer your question. To block adverts, to watch your programs if your abroad via UK TV channels apps, to watch series unavailable in the UK on other regions Netflix menus, to circumvent the 3pm blackout to watch your club side on a Saturday which would otherwise be impossible. But you already know all of that

You can also have a ham shank on the ❌🐹 without uploading private and personal data to do so. You already know that too

What are you trying to achieve by acting so dense?

 

Never used one, and can't imagine that I would ever need one.

[DoonTheSlope]

According to Liz Kendall it’ll be user to user to platforms so I assume this site will fall under that category 

It’s a pity it wasn’t a ban on 50+ users. All these Facebook maws and TAMB da’s swallowing any aul’ left wing shite they see on BBC news and read in the national