Scottish Independence Talk

[mccaughey85]

9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Reform very nearly beat the SNP 

Shameful 

Thats very worrying as they maybe haven't maxed out their potential in Scotland. 

We could easily see the west of Scotland turn into a tight race between the three parties. 

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

44.2% turnout

Has the Independence vote came out to stop Farage ?

Most definitely not 

The SNP vote from 2021 has been cut in half 

Swinney has to go today

[scotlad]

8 minutes ago, kumnio said:

How could Labour win that seat? Im absolutely amazed that that has happened.

Dearie me.

I honestly didn't see that coming.

See if Labour had fielded a semi-decent candidate, or even a poor candidate who was at least capable of stringing a sentence together, then okay, but their candidate was a fucking buffoon; an inarticulate, slevering oaf so bad they deliberately kept him from hustings and public meetings and whose only notable interview was an absolute car crash. Yet people looked at him and thought, aye, he's the best person to represent us?? Fucking hell 🤯

[Toepoke]

17 minutes ago, kumnio said:

How could Labour win that seat? Im absolutely amazed that that has happened.

 

The FM will be too....

 

[RanelaghScot]

9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Reform very nearly beat the SNP 

Shameful 

Tories could've handed Reform the seat if they'd all made the jump, might make them think about it even more in future elections.

 

 

 

[mccaughey85]

3 minutes ago, scotlad said:

I honestly didn't see that coming.

See if Labour had fielded a semi-decent candidate, or even a poor candidate who was at least capable of stringing a sentence together, then okay, but their candidate was a fucking buffoon; an inarticulate, slevering oaf so bad they deliberately kept him from hustings and public meetings and whose only notable interview was an absolute car crash. Yet people looked at him and thought, aye, he's the best person to represent us?? Fucking hell 🤯

SNP have been power a long time and ppl get sick of the same party being in charge so I can see SNP losing a fair few seats at the next Scottish elections.

[mccaughey85]

3 minutes ago, RanelaghScot said:

Tories could've handed Reform the seat if they'd all made the jump, might make them think about it even more in future elections.

 

 

 

The indy vote is basically split between labour and SNP in the west of Scotland and thats opening the door for the unionist vote to mostly get behind one party. 

[Toepoke]

4 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

The indy vote is basically split between labour and SNP in the west of Scotland and thats opening the door for the unionist vote to mostly get behind one party. 

It must be well split if independence is indeed polling over 50% yet only around 30% vote for pro independence parties...

 

[Ally Bongo]

11 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

The indy vote is basically split between labour and SNP in the west of Scotland and thats opening the door for the unionist vote to mostly get behind one party. 

It isnt 

The Indy vote is still staying at home

Look at the 2021 vote share again and compare 

 

 

[King Of Paisley]

Swinney has to go and go now. One of the worst results ever. Instead of attacking Labour on winter fuel payments, the betrayal of Grangemouth and the WASPI women, that clueless idiot was more interested in stopping Farage. And given BNP lite won 26% of the vote, a fat lot of good that did.

Seriously thinking of jacking my SNP membership tomorrow. Sick to the back teeth of the lot of them. That lot need fumigated and got tid of the Sturgeon cabal thats infesting the SNP, Fiona Robertson in particular.

Genuinely fear for the future of this country. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Sarwar could be FM next year

[scotlad]

31 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Most definitely not 

The SNP vote from 2021 has been cut in half 

Swinney has to go today

Just as it was starting to look like he was steadying the ship too.

Swinney needs to go and few others need to go with him. If tonight is anything to go by though that decision might be taken for them next year!

Katy Loudon also needs find something else to do the next time there's a by-election.

[RanelaghScot]

John Swinney's Bank of Scotland middle management persona isn't going to cut it in the political world of 2025.

 

[scotlad]

24 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

SNP have been power a long time and ppl get sick of the same party being in charge so I can see SNP losing a fair few seats at the next Scottish elections.

Oh, that's a given, and I get that people might be fed up with the SNP, but to turn to Labour?! Fucking Labour, a party who are implementing cuts even the Tories wouldn't have attempted; who are running a shambles of a government down south; who have flip-flopped and backtracked since almost the moment they were elected; whose candidate for this by-election was so bad at one point I wondered if he was just a paper candidate - people looked at them and thought, aye, they'll sort things out??

I honestly thought they'd given up on winning the seat and were looking at nothing more than damage limitation. No wonder the BBC were chipper during their coverage.

[scotlad]

14 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said:

Swinney has to go and go now. One of the worst results ever. Instead of attacking Labour on winter fuel payments, the betrayal of Grangemouth and the WASPI women, that clueless idiot was more interested in stopping Farage. And given BNP lite won 26% of the vote, a fat lot of good that did.

Seriously thinking of jacking my SNP membership tomorrow. Sick to the back teeth of the lot of them. That lot need fumigated and got tid of the Sturgeon cabal thats infesting the SNP, Fiona Robertson in particular.

Genuinely fear for the future of this country. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Sarwar could be FM next year

It's worse than that; instead of attacking Labour the dozy bastard was busy sticking up for Anas Sarwar because he reckoned Reform were being mean to him. Anas Sarwar - a man who wouldn't piss on John Swinney if he was on fire!

[mccaughey85]

1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

It isnt 

The Indy vote is still staying at home

Look at the 2021 vote share again and compare 

 

 

You think that the low turnout was due to snp/indy voters not bothering?

[mccaughey85]

1 hour ago, scotlad said:

Oh, that's a given, and I get that people might be fed up with the SNP, but to turn to Labour?! Fucking Labour, a party who are implementing cuts even the Tories wouldn't have attempted; who are running a shambles of a government down south; who have flip-flopped and backtracked since almost the moment they were elected; whose candidate for this by-election was so bad at one point I wondered if he was just a paper candidate - people looked at them and thought, aye, they'll sort things out??

I honestly thought they'd given up on winning the seat and were looking at nothing more than damage limitation. No wonder the BBC were chipper during their coverage.

Maybe it's best snp take a big hit at the 2026 Scottish elections, then come back strong in 2030 with a reform party in charge at Westminster. 

If polls continue to be above 50 percent then they can start to campaign on the idea of indy ref2 and giving ppl one last shot at independence. Make it a last chance saloon type plea to the Scottish ppl.

If the ppl of Scotland won't vote for it by then it's probably never going to happen and it would best to give up for a generation or two at least.

[StirlingEgg]

4 hours ago, scotlad said:

I honestly didn't see that coming.

See if Labour had fielded a semi-decent candidate, or even a poor candidate who was at least capable of stringing a sentence together, then okay, but their candidate was a fucking buffoon; an inarticulate, slevering oaf so bad they deliberately kept him from hustings and public meetings and whose only notable interview was an absolute car crash. Yet people looked at him and thought, aye, he's the best person to represent us?? Fucking hell 🤯

Aye but he's staunch though! 

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it but is this result more about folk giving Labour a turn again instead of the incumbent party and Tories turning to Reform? Not sure how that would translate in a normal election especially with it being fairly close between the 3. 

Edited June 6, 2025 by StirlingEgg

[AlfieMoon]

3 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

You think that the low turnout was due to snp/indy voters not bothering?

I think the beeb said SNP are polling nationally at around 31%, so came in 2% short of that.  Not a huge difference to indicate a low turnout of SNP vote, but maybe enough to make a difference. 

As well as a chunk of the 2021 SNP voters going to Labour, there must be a fair few to Reform as well. 
 

 

[AlfieMoon]

4 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

You think that the low turnout was due to snp/indy voters not bothering?

I think the beeb said SNP are polling nationally at around 31%, so came in 2% short of that.  Not a huge difference to indicate a low turnout of SNP vote, but maybe enough to make a difference. 

As well as a chunk of the 2021 SNP voters going to Labour, there must be a fair few to Reform as well. 
 

 

[hampden_loon2878]

forbes should have been installed as FM, she would have chased out all the sturgeon infestation,,, we are fucked for independence for the foreseeable, time for albe and the snp to get their differences out of the way. to me macaskill is the most competent indy politician out there.sorry guys but labour have a year more to fuck things up along with the snp, reform have a year to play on the immigration crisis, there is a real chance things could end up worse than that byelection

[Caledonian Craig]

7 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Reform very nearly beat the SNP 

Shameful 

Going by that then SNP were even closer to beating Labour. Gap between Labour and SNP were just over 600 votes. Gap between SNP and Reform well over 900 votes.

[TDYER63]

1 hour ago, AlfieMoon said:

I think the beeb said SNP are polling nationally at around 31%, so came in 2% short of that.  Not a huge difference to indicate a low turnout of SNP vote, but maybe enough to make a difference. 

As well as a chunk of the 2021 SNP voters going to Labour, there must be a fair few to Reform as well. 
 

 

 

Not really sure how it means Sarwar would not be FM . Can someone explain? 

[Caledonian Craig]

1 minute ago, TDYER63 said:

 

Not really sure how it means Sarwar would not be FM . Can someone explain? 

The SNP vote nationally, going by polls is 11% above Labour nationally. Hamilton does have a lot of Labour support in it and historically has always been there or thereabouts. That being the case and that many protest voters protesting at the party in power flung their vote Labour's way rather than vote Reform who hoovered up much of the Tory vote.

[Ally Bongo]

15 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

forbes should have been installed as FM, she would have chased out all the sturgeon infestation,,, we are fucked for independence for the foreseeable, time for albe and the snp to get their differences out of the way. to me macaskill is the most competent indy politician out there.sorry guys but labour have a year more to fuck things up along with the snp, reform have a year to play on the immigration crisis, there is a real chance things could end up worse than that byelection

It was the fault of Kate Forbes that the SNP lost .........

[Orraloon]

12 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

 

Not really sure how it means Sarwar would not be FM . Can someone explain? 

He is saying that if voting goes along the lines of the current polls then SNP would still win the most seats. Not enough for an overall majority though. A lot can happen between now and then.