Scottish Independence Talk

[hampden_loon2878]

5 minutes ago, exile said:

I am open to your views on this matter but if you just dismiss others' views like that, calling it MSM and bullshit, it convinces me less of your arguments on this - and other matters

It’s my belief that I have built up over the years l, I haven’t denied that there could be man made global warming, I actually believe that it contributes to an already naturally warming climate, I just don’t buy the media hysteria, according to media reports from the early 80s we should all be under water by now. the earth has cycles and we are current going through a warming one possibly with the aid of human emissions. The fact is, sea levels haven’t risen where I am, the shore line is actually further out to sea than it was in the 1800’s. If the sea ice and ice sheets have melted to the degree that the media are suggesting, should there not be sea level changes. I am sure our resident mathematician can come up with some equation to explain this 

[hampden_loon2878]

3 minutes ago, phart said:

Impossible to disentangle it so we have CO2 emissions only however if we go by 2023 again we see

In 2023, global average sea level set a new record high—101.4 mm (3.99 inches) above 1993 levels.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

The ice isn't a stationary ratio, it depends on what time of year it is. I've already posted the 2023 minimums so you can just look at them.

Parts of Scotland suffer from post glacial rebound, however sea levels are now above that rebound rate and have been for years. 

You're not an honest broker you ask for far more evidence than you are willing to give. This speaks to the weakness of your own argument, no doubt we'll get a picture of some castle on the coast taken at different times of tide as some sort of argument.

There is a marking on the harbour wall from 1968 that was marked at the spring tide, every year it’s checked and it has not changed, yes there is variations with tide,swell etc however any increase has been tiny. So with you being the mathematician, how much sea ice/ice sheets have we lost? And how much more will we expect to lose? And what will that equate to in sea level rises? If the current sea level rise has been 2cm in the last 50 years (and that’s being extremely generous)

[phart]

Just now, hampden_loon2878 said:

There is a marking on the harbour wall from 1968 that was marked at the spring tide, every year it’s checked and it has not changed, yes there is variations with tide,swell etc however any increase has been tiny. So with you being the mathematician, how much sea ice/ice sheets have we lost? And how much more will we expect to lose? And what will that equate to in sea level rises? If the current sea level rise has been 2cm in the last 50 years (and that’s being extremely generous)

I post a link saying it was measured as 4 inches since 1993 and in a post underneath it you say it was 2cm in 50 years.

Are you even reading my posts? Or have you pre-judged them and think because i cannot in good time do the calculation for sea ice "we" have lost that validates whatever it is you believe? 

I have provided the 2023 sea level rise and also the antarctica minimum for sea ice in previous posts. your answers are in the posts it just requires the ability to read two posts and assimilate the information.

[hampden_loon2878]

12 minutes ago, phart said:

I post a link saying it was measured as 4 inches since 1993 and in a post underneath it you say it was 2cm in 50 years.

Are you even reading my posts? Or have you pre-judged them and think because i cannot in good time do the calculation for sea ice "we" have lost that validates whatever it is you believe? 

I have provided the 2023 sea level rise and also the antarctica minimum for sea ice in previous posts. your answers are in the posts it just requires the ability to read two posts and assimilate the information.

Well you link is rubbish, either that or the northsea has its own water supply, and no I never read the link you posted as I knew what it was going to say. 

Edited February 26 by hampden_loon2878

[Squirrelhumper]

On 2/24/2026 at 4:23 PM, hampden_loon2878 said:

and there lies the problem, the more influence the greens have, the further from independence we get 

 

On 2/24/2026 at 4:24 PM, hampden_loon2878 said:

i dont think i will vote for the first time ever, unless there is a good independent candidate 

Irony alert.

[Goozay]

19 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

I can’t answer the question without establishing if what you are saying is true, do most scientists believe oil is the sole contributor to climate change? I would say absolutely not they don’t . Coal is the biggest polluter , , oil accounts for under 30% of works c02 emissions,  Scotland produces less than 1% of the world oil.. let’s be realistic here 

Very good. You are right that coal produces more CO2 than oil and that Scotland produces less than 1% of the world's oil.

However, oil still has a significant impact on climate change and the major energy companies have been funding climate change denial for decades, while fully aware of climate change.

It's just interesting that this actual conspiracy, with evidence, of big multinationals using their wealth to create a false narrative for the little people to swallow hasn't floated your boat, compared to other baseless ones you push on here.

[hampden_loon2878]

51 minutes ago, Goozay said:

Very good. You are right that coal produces more CO2 than oil and that Scotland produces less than 1% of the world's oil.

However, oil still has a significant impact on climate change and the major energy companies have been funding climate change denial for decades, while fully aware of climate change.

It's just interesting that this actual conspiracy, with evidence, of big multinationals using their wealth to create a false narrative for the little people to swallow hasn't floated your boat, compared to other baseless ones you push on here.

What other ones? Covid 🤣

[Goozay]

5 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

What other ones? Covid 🤣

Aye. You should start a thread on your theory about what really happened with Covid.

That way we could all have a laugh. Not just yourself. 

[hampden_loon2878]

8 hours ago, Goozay said:

Aye. You should start a thread on your theory about what really happened with Covid.

That way we could all have a laugh. Not just yourself. 

How anyone can justify what they did to us and our children during covid, I have no idea 

[duncan II]

11 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

How anyone can justify what they did to us and our children during covid, I have no idea 

Jesus, why push him down this rabbit hole again? I can get mental childlike paranoid gibberings on Twitter.

[hampden_loon2878]

Just now, duncan II said:

Jesus, why push him down this rabbit hole again? I can get mental childlike paranoid gibberings on Twitter.

Settle doon Dunc 

[Goozay]

3 hours ago, duncan II said:

Jesus, why push him down this rabbit hole again? I can get mental childlike paranoid gibberings on Twitter.

Apologies

[Dave78]

Oh look, here's little FUKireland (Former UK Ireland) with those meaningless GDP per capita stats that apparently are fantasy 'Leprechaunomics', but should be a trusted yardstick to measure every other country.

 

 

[hampden_loon2878]

On 12/20/2025 at 6:58 PM, hampden_loon2878 said:

for those interested in any conspiracy theories, look what happened in 2014… never rule out anything regardless of how unlikely 
 

“””””There it is…. what’s happening with Venezuela is not just about Drugs…”””” 

🚨 BOMBSHELL: Tina Peters' Lawyer: Venezuelan Insiders Confirm U.S. Voting Machines Share Rigging Flaws with Venezuela's Smartmatic – Built to Manipulate Elections Globally, Including America

Smartmatic and Dominion Are Foreign Controlled and were actively Changing Election Outcomes — and Venezuela is involved. Here is a timeline you need to know about:

🔴 2000
Smartmatic and Bizta Corp. are incorporated in Delaware by Antonio Mugica, Roger Piñate and Alfredo Anzola.

🔴 2003
Venezuelan government representative Omar Montilla is appointed to the board of directors of Bizta, the company that will develop Smartmatic Automated Election Systems (SAES) election software. The Venezuelan government acquires 28% of the electoral software developer company.

🔴 2005 
On March 9, 2005, Smartmatic announces the purchase of Sequoia Voting Systems, adding their software (SAES) to a trusted American company.

🔴 2005
The European Union Electoral Mission Establishes That Smartmatic (SAES) Source Code Is Owned by the Venezuelan Government**

🔴 2006
A Democratic Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney Requested an Investigation by CFIUS on Smartmatic/Sequoia Venezuelan Government Ownership

🔴 2006
CFIUS Orders Smartmatic to Sell Sequoia Because Smartmatic Did Not Provide to the US Treasury of Ownership Request

🔴 2007
California Reviews Sequoia/Smartmatic Source Code and De-Certifies the Software Due to Election Security Failures

🔴 2008
Smartmatic Integrates into Dominion PCOS Their Technology for the Elections in Philippines

🔴 2010
Dominion Acquired Sequoia's (Smartmatic) All Intellectual Property, Including Software, Firmware and Hardware

🔴 2010
Heider Garcia, Smartmatic's Technology Manager, Is Questioned by the Philippine Congress Over the Multiple Failures of Dominion-Smartmatic Equipment

🔴 2011
Dominion Sets Up Its Primary Data Center in Belgrade, Serbia, in Partnership with Roaming Network (Dot Network) (Huawei) 
—— Remember when Trump went hard against Huawei?

🔴 2011
Roaming Network Is a Company Owned by a Serbian Oligarch Nenad Kovac (Involved in Espionage)

🔴 2013
Smartmatic Is Accused of Manipulating the Source Code of Adjudication Systems and Dominion Denies Source Code Review. International Crisis

🔴 2014
Smartmatic Launch SGO as a Parent Company in London UK, with Mark Malloch-Brown (GEORGE SOROS) as Smartmatic Chairma

🔴 2016
Dominion's President for Serbia Says That the Belgrade HQ Has 50 Software Developers, Connecting All Its Offices on a Single Cloud Through a VPN (Canada, Serbia, Colorado)

🔴 2016
Smartmatic Probed for Changing Source Code on the Philippine Election Without the Election Commission Approval

🔴 2018
Federal Grand Jury in Florida Investigates Smartmatic Execs for Alleged Bribery and Money Laundering Related to 2016 Election in Philippines — Huawei

🔴 2020
FCC Affirms Designation of Huawei as National Security Threat

🔴 2024
Roger Piñate, Elie Moreno, Jose Miguel Vasquez and Juan Andres Donato Bautista Are Indicted in Federal Court on Corruption Charges

President Trump is trying to stop the election rigging not just happening in the United States, but around the world.

Maybe not pie in the sky?!!! 

[Ally Bongo]

The only reason "globalists" are interested in Scotland/ Scottish Independence has already been documented 

And it is bog all to do with genetics 

Oil, Nuclear bases, Strategic location etc etc 

We shat it when it came to voting for Independence so i doubt anyone fears us 

They have done great work in dividing and brainwashing us 

[phart]

Self serving pish. Scots have a superior bloodline aye? Hmmm interesting theory think i have heard it before.

[exile]

Interesting times when leader of Greens in England & Wales is openly relaxed about Scottish independence and supportive of our right to decide.

As they are at times now polling second or vying for second, support for indy-friendly parties in England - and across the UK - has surely never been higher?

Maybe the cynics will be right, who say Scotland will only get independence when England is ready for it.

[Toepoke]

Galloway now directing his grift towards independence supporters...

 

 

[exile]

Norstat / Sunday Times poll for independence.

55% Yes. 45% No.

[Hertsscot]

36 minutes ago, exile said:

Norstat / Sunday Times poll for independence.

55% Yes. 45% No.

It's encouraging but the problem is how much do they want it? It's like whether you want to be healthier, fitter, wealthier. Lots of people say they want it but don't do much about it.

[Caledonian Craig]

21 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

It's encouraging but the problem is how much do they want it? It's like whether you want to be healthier, fitter, wealthier. Lots of people say they want it but don't do much about it.

Precisely.

[exile]

16 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

It's encouraging but the problem is how much do they want it? It's like whether you want to be healthier, fitter, wealthier. Lots of people say they want it but don't do much about it.

Yes, that is hard to tell. 

Then again, there has not been much campaigning for it (relatively). 

[exile]

I saw this in the Labour thread

8 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

In Scotland , Labour’s anti independence stance is crucifying them. I see Paul Sweeney has called for some sort of trigger to be implemented. He is probably setting out his stall for next Labour leader but at least he is doing something . 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-msp-backs-convention-settle-37138260.amp

 

I couldn't see the whole quote there, but from what I read somewhere else, he'd said something like that if there was a rule like 60% pro-indy opinion polling, that could trigger a referendum, but it couldn't be returned to for 7 years, so putting it in line with the Good Friday Agreement.

While it's artificially restrictive, at least it's not "no way, now is not the time, never ever." And at least it gives something to aim for, at an artifically high level but one that people would probably want to clear anyway. Still, I'd say 60% too high. I'd say 55% might have more of a ring to it, something they would find hard to refuse.

I'm not sure either side would accept just an opinion poll. And those can be too easily manipulated. But what if it was vote share in any nationwide election - like GE or Holyrood. This would give everyone an added incentive to vote. Any vote for a pro-indy party would be allowed to count. 

No doubt some would say in that case, just cut out the referendum. If pro indy votes in a national election top 50% then that should be it. But it's hard to see the unionists agreeing to that. They must know how close it is to that already.

I suppose a problem is that any Labour proposal would be in danger of seen as gerrymandering. Who would trust them after their 40% rule in 1979, or Devo max/federalism con in 2014.

Edited May 12 by exile

[exile]

From Patrick Holleran on Twitter

"If Scotland, Wales,Northern Ireland jointly declare that the Union no longer reflects democratic consent, the UN process accelerates dramatically. Why? Because it becomes A multinational constitutional crisis, not a separatist claim. That changes everything. It is a real constitutional lever but one that has never been pulled because it requires coordination, courage, and timing..."

It's a very long tweet but the action points are: 
 

"Step 1 A Joint Declaration of Constitutional Breakdown

A coordinated statement from.. First Minister of Scotland First Minister of Wales First Minister of Northern Ireland declaring.. “The Union no longer commands democratic legitimacy in our nations.” This is legally powerful because each nation has its own constitutional basis for self‑determination.

Step 2 A Notification to the UN Secretary General

This is the part most people don’t know.. Any sub‑state nation with a distinct constitutional identity can file a communication of constitutional breakdown. This does not require statehood. It requires standing, which Scotland, Wales, and NI all have.

Step 3 A Referral to the Human Rights Council

The UNHRC can open a file on denial of self‑determination suppression of constitutional identity democratic obstruction The UK cannot veto this.

Step 4 Appointment of a Special Rapporteur

Once a rapporteur is appointed, the process becomes internationalised. The UK cannot stop this. It can only refuse cooperation which strengthens the case.

Step 5 General Assembly consideration

If the rapporteur finds sustained democratic mandates constitutional incompatibility suppression of national sovereignty the case moves to the General Assembly. And again.. The UK has no veto.

Why this route is faster than the “queue for a referendum” Because It bypasses Westminster It reframes the issue as restoration, not secession It uses international law, not UK domestic law It leverages three nations, not one It triggers UN mechanisms, not UK permission This is the first time all three nations have had three independence first ministers." 

[Caledonian Craig]

Hmm so UK trying to host the Olympics again despite the UK government  stating just 20 years ago it was 'a once in a lifetime event' for London Olympics. What's good for the goose is good for the gander then.

Edited Sunday at 05:08 AM by Caledonian Craig