Harvey Barnes.....

[Big Ramy 1314]

Has Clarke approached him, I seem to remember he did. Watching Newcastle v Manure, he has scored 2 brilliant goals.. Some player. Has he declared for England, or is he on the fence.. Just asking, he is chose England then cheerio... 

[Hertsscot]

Just pick him for the upcoming friendlies. He's undoubtedly a good player but if he doesn't say 'yes' then we move on. His loss, no greater honour than pulling in the dark blue jersey if Scotland.

[bdgsct]

There are a good number of left sided players ahead of him, Gordon,Eze, Foden, Rogers who have had better seasons. I'd be surprised if he gets in to the England reckoning. Tuchel had a shortlist of 55 players who he contacted before naming his first squad, Barnes will know he (probably) isn't on that that list so has a mountain ro climb. Weather that forces him ro consider scotland is a different matter. 

[stocky]

My recollection of the event is that Barnes was getting called up at the same time as Anderson, but got injured and wasn't named 

After Anderson spat the dummy Steve Clarke said the ball was in their court now.

Which I understood to be if you want to play for Scotland let us know and we will pick you.

We won't call you again. We won't be begging. But if you let us know, you will be picked.

 

Barnes was injured for some time and has only recently been playing good enough to consider international football.

Imo if they had both turned up for that original squad, ( instead of Anderson on his own) then they would both be playing for us and would already have a good few caps.

I would be happy to have Barnes ( and Anderson) in the team.

 

 

 

[Caledonian Craig]

3 hours ago, stocky said:

My recollection of the event is that Barnes was getting called up at the same time as Anderson, but got injured and wasn't named 

After Anderson spat the dummy Steve Clarke said the ball was in their court now.

Which I understood to be if you want to play for Scotland let us know and we will pick you.

We won't call you again. We won't be begging. But if you let us know, you will be picked.

 

Barnes was injured for some time and has only recently been playing good enough to consider international football.

Imo if they had both turned up for that original squad, ( instead of Anderson on his own) then they would both be playing for us and would already have a good few caps.

I would be happy to have Barnes ( and Anderson) in the team.

 

 

 

Hmm although a feasible chain of events I have my doubts. But if that is what happened then no phone calls from Anderson or Barnes suggest they are not interested.

[wanderer]

There was talk of a call up in the tail end of the Euro Qualifiers, but he was constantly getting injured at the time and was out for long spells.

He was spoken about as a dark horse for making the Euros squad, but never happened, and he has gave a interview in the last year at some point saying he is open to a call up if asked.

Unfortunately (for us) he has found a real bit of form of late, and good chance he will be in the next England squad (though I doubt Thuchel is going to call up as big a lacklustre squad for June as he did for last month)

[er yir macaroon]

Clarke needs to ask him, it would be absurd players phoning to ask to play for Scotland. If he says no, then fine, move on. 

[bdgsct]

21 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said:

Clarke needs to ask him, it would be absurd players phoning to ask to play for Scotland. If he says no, then fine, move on. 

I think Clarke is a bit wary after the Anderson situation. It's clear Barnes first choice is England which is fine. He knows Clarke wants to pick him and just needs to make him aware via his agent that he would accept a call up. Assuming he is not called up for England in June then you have to feel that it will be now or never for Scotland. He'll be 28 by the time the world cup comes around and he would need to play in the qualifiers to be considered.

[Big Ramy 1314]

24 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said:

Clarke needs to ask him, it would be absurd players phoning to ask to play for Scotland. If he says no, then fine, move on. 

I agree.. I'm not a fan of players picking Scotland as second fiddle. All other countries enquire about players who qualify, even though it may be a granny rule. So why not benefit as all other countries are doing it.   In saying that, if you are asked, and are on the fence, then you can fuck off !!! Move on !!

Barnes looked lethal yesterday, I was very surprised. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[Big Ramy 1314]

Steve Clarke.. " Hello Harvey, are you interested in playing for Scotland?"

Harvey Barnes.. "Not at the moment Steve, I'm waiting to see if I'm good enough for England"..

Steve Clarke.. "Ok Harvey, cheers and best of luck." 

Won't disrespect the lad, it's his choice, but once you tell us No, it's No !!!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[Big Ramy 1314]

Spencer Wallabee.. "Oye, Steve Clarke, I've tried out for Australia and I'm no good enough, any chance I could play for Scotland as my Granny was born in Wick ?"

Steve Clarke .. " Fuck off"..

That's me !! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[henry george]

I think the smart thing to do here is to delay our squad announcement for the June friendlies until the day after England announce theirs.  If Tuchel doesn't pick Barnes for these friendlies, it's pretty unlikely he'll feature for them in the upcoming campaign and might consider a switch.

[borojock]

37 minutes ago, henry george said:

I think the smart thing to do here is to delay our squad announcement for the June friendlies until the day after England announce theirs.  If Tuchel doesn't pick Barnes for these friendlies, it's pretty unlikely he'll feature for them in the upcoming campaign and might consider a switch.

You do realise we would have to go through the registration process which can take a month or so to register him for Scotland 

[bdgsct]

8 minutes ago, borojock said:

You do realise we would have to go through the registration process which can take a month or so to register him for Scotland 

That means he won't have to cancel his summer holiday to play in June in our shitey friendlies - all the more incentive.....

[stocky]

3 hours ago, er yir macaroon said:

Clarke needs to ask him, it would be absurd players phoning to ask to play for Scotland. If he says no, then fine, move on. 

I believe we have asked already, him and Anderson were going to be called up together, see above post.

The ball is in their court, they have been asked,they accepted, one spat the dummy, the other was injured.

Time moved on and the last Steve Clarke said was the door is open but they( or the players )need to make the next move.

 

 

 

[ger intae them]

Both of those English guys would be good assets to the team……. but they are English, and for that reason can do one as far as I’m concerned.

Yamal would be a good asset too, but unfortunately he’s Spanish……..

[Caledonian Craig]

Let's be honest here. Clarke will be aware of Barnes eligibility. He has utilized other English-born players who qualify to represent us. Hirst being the latest and certainly is not as high profile as Barnes. That alone says Barnes has been contacted and knocked us back. The story ends there for me.

[scotlad]

5 hours ago, stocky said:

I believe we have asked already, him and Anderson were going to be called up together, see above post.

The ball is in their court, they have been asked,they accepted, one spat the dummy, the other was injured.

Time moved on and the last Steve Clarke said was the door is open but they( or the players )need to make the next move.

 

 

 

If he's agreed to play for us (which presumably he has if he accepted a call-up) then why wouldn't Clarke just pick him?

I know Anderson's odd behaviour left Clarke with egg on his face - something he didn't deserve - but that was very much a one-off, and Barnes isn't Anderson. It doesn't seem fair to hold him to different standards because of someone else's behaviour.   

[Caledonian Craig]

12 hours ago, scotlad said:

If he's agreed to play for us (which presumably he has if he accepted a call-up) then why wouldn't Clarke just pick him?

I know Anderson's odd behaviour left Clarke with egg on his face - something he didn't deserve - but that was very much a one-off, and Barnes isn't Anderson. It doesn't seem fair to hold him to different standards because of someone else's behaviour.   

When did Barnes accept a call-up?

Clarke has been freely capping English-born players so the issue here is not with him if Barnes has not played for us yet. That being the case it can be presumed he has said no thanks.

[stocky]

1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said:

When did Barnes accept a call-up?

Clarke has been freely capping English-born players so the issue here is not with him if Barnes has not played for us yet. That being the case it can be presumed he has said no thanks.

He didn't accept a call up per se

Iirc he was due to be called up when Anderson was called up, however he got injured and no call up came 

The spitting of the dummy by Anderson ( or whatever he's told Barnes) has put us in the current situation.

Like I said in a different post, if he hadn't been injured I believe both would have had a fee caps by now.

 

Support each other etc...

 

However that is just my memory of the situation and my thoughts on the matter.

 

I would have both in the squad 

[wanderer]

I do not think Barnes was going to be called up for the same squad as Anderson, but there was rumbles not long after, but never happened due to a long term injury (if he was going to be called up for that squad, then the paperwork would have been done, and since he has not been called since, that indicates that it probably never went past the discussion phase).

He gave a interview to The Athletic back in February of this year, and does say that he has had "numerous discussions with representatives of the SFA".

I suspect the closest we got to him being called up was around the time of the Georgia (a)-Norway (h) games in late 2023, but he was injured at the time, and he is holding off at the moment to see if a England call up comes his way.

If he is not called up to the next England squad, then chances are getting stronger that he will be in a Scotland squad at some point this year. 

Edited April 15, 2025 by wanderer

[Big Ramy 1314]

45 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

That's what we need - another English cast off/ reject

I agree with you Ally 100%. Thing is, every other footballing nation in the world is using this rule to their advantage, so we might aswell have a go ourselves.. Harvey Barnes would give us something we do not have at the moment.. I would rather we had 11 born and bred Scots on the pitch, but sadly those days are long gone !! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[ghorne67]

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

That's what we need - another English cast off/ reject

Yeah heaven forbid we pick Scottish eligible players that are significantly better than we already have. Let's stick with playing McGinn and Christie out wide, their pace has been tearing teams apart. 

[bdgsct]

5 hours ago, AtVsfan said:

Judging by his performance against Manchester United. Barnes will be in the next England squad.

Personally, I hope Barnes and Anderson get called up. They want to play for England, as they're English.

At least they aren't like Russell Martin who played 29 times for Scotland and still considers himself English... 

I'm sure Barnes does and will always consider himself English. He was born in England, as were his parents and his dad's parents. If he wants to represent Scotland AND is totally committed, I have no issue with him considering himself English. He seems like an honest player, I'm sure he won't play for us unless he is committed. If he thinks he is close to the England squad then it's not surprising that he will wait and see, after all, he is English and they will have a chance to win the world cup. There's no need to try and convince him or ask the question, it's all down to him.

[Caledonian Craig]

9 hours ago, stocky said:

He didn't accept a call up per se

Iirc he was due to be called up when Anderson was called up, however he got injured and no call up came 

The spitting of the dummy by Anderson ( or whatever he's told Barnes) has put us in the current situation.

Like I said in a different post, if he hadn't been injured I believe both would have had a fee caps by now.

 

Support each other etc...

 

However that is just my memory of the situation and my thoughts on the matter.

 

I would have both in the squad 

So you would still have Anderson even after pissing us around and potentially putting the poison in too? Riiiiight.