Gaza

[Caledonian Craig]

17 minutes ago, kumnio said:

As long as Israel and/or Islam exist, peace is impossible.

In an ideal world, we would wake up tomorrow and no one would have a clue what religion was, mosques, temples, churches etc would just be community centres, or just another building, and we would mainly all get along. But its never going to happen.

Yes I agree. Religion grates with me. It is at the heart of the cause of many wars and scientifically totally unproven that gods of any sort exist.

Edited September 29, 2024 by Caledonian Craig

[Alibi]

As an atheist humanist, I hold the view that religion is a major cause of trouble in the world.  Religion is also a means of coercive control.

The situation in the middle east didn't start on October 7th last year; in reality it started, or more likely restarted, in the late 1940s when Israel was created - what do you think happened to the folk who were living there at the time?  There was a lot of violence and killing of the Palestinians and others who occupied the area.  Imagine a new country being overlaid on to Scotland with everyone in the central belt being chased out at gunpoint. if they were lucky, killed if they weren't.  I tend to think that at that time, when British troops were murdering folk all over the world for any attemp to rise up against the British Empire, the racist attitudes that abounded meant that nobody cared about the Palestinians and so they saw nothing wrong with creating Israel.

In this country, Israel always tends to be portrayed as the good guys in the media but the general public now see through that.  It's not Jews that are driving this genocide, it's Zionists (the two are not the same although there is an overlap).  I have some Lithuanian/Jewish ancestry on my father's side of the family but despite that I could never defend the actions going on in Gaza and now Lebanon, and I've never had any inclination to visit Israel though I have travelled on business or for holidays to several other Middle Eastern countries (still have Oman on my bucket list).  I have a strong suspicion that the Gaza genocide is partly driven by the discovery of offshore gas/oil which is difficult to get at because Gaza gets in the way.  As so often in life, follow the money.  The other factor is that the arms industry needs wars to make a profit so we get wars in the Middle Eastand in Ukraine rather than any serious attempts to promote peace.  Finally, Israeli interests have bought a lot of prominent politicians (including Keir Starmer) and they of course have huge influence in the USA.

I doubt we will ever see peace in the Middle East - right now Israel is creating another generation of young people in Gaza and Lebanon, and Yemsn and Syria who can't really be blamed for wanting it destroyed.

[Big Ramy 1314]

5 minutes ago, Alibi said:

As an atheist humanist, I hold the view that religion is a major cause of trouble in the world.  Religion is also a means of coercive control.

The situation in the middle east didn't start on October 7th last year; in reality it started, or more likely restarted, in the late 1940s when Israel was created - what do you think happened to the folk who were living there at the time?  There was a lot of violence and killing of the Palestinians and others who occupied the area.  Imagine a new country being overlaid on to Scotland with everyone in the central belt being chased out at gunpoint. if they were lucky, killed if they weren't.  I tend to think that at that time, when British troops were murdering folk all over the world for any attemp to rise up against the British Empire, the racist attitudes that abounded meant that nobody cared about the Palestinians and so they saw nothing wrong with creating Israel.

In this country, Israel always tends to be portrayed as the good guys in the media but the general public now see through that.  It's not Jews that are driving this genocide, it's Zionists (the two are not the same although there is an overlap).  I have some Lithuanian/Jewish ancestry on my father's side of the family but despite that I could never defend the actions going on in Gaza and now Lebanon, and I've never had any inclination to visit Israel though I have travelled on business or for holidays to several other Middle Eastern countries (still have Oman on my bucket list).  I have a strong suspicion that the Gaza genocide is partly driven by the discovery of offshore gas/oil which is difficult to get at because Gaza gets in the way.  As so often in life, follow the money.  The other factor is that the arms industry needs wars to make a profit so we get wars in the Middle Eastand in Ukraine rather than any serious attempts to promote peace.  Finally, Israeli interests have bought a lot of prominent politicians (including Keir Starmer) and they of course have huge influence in the USA.

I doubt we will ever see peace in the Middle East - right now Israel is creating another generation of young people in Gaza and Lebanon, and Yemsn and Syria who can't really be blamed for wanting it destroyed.

Great post !!!

[Orraloon]

59 minutes ago, Alibi said:

As an atheist humanist, I hold the view that religion is a major cause of trouble in the world.  Religion is also a means of coercive control.

The situation in the middle east didn't start on October 7th last year; in reality it started, or more likely restarted, in the late 1940s when Israel was created - what do you think happened to the folk who were living there at the time?  There was a lot of violence and killing of the Palestinians and others who occupied the area.  Imagine a new country being overlaid on to Scotland with everyone in the central belt being chased out at gunpoint. if they were lucky, killed if they weren't.  I tend to think that at that time, when British troops were murdering folk all over the world for any attemp to rise up against the British Empire, the racist attitudes that abounded meant that nobody cared about the Palestinians and so they saw nothing wrong with creating Israel.

In this country, Israel always tends to be portrayed as the good guys in the media but the general public now see through that.  It's not Jews that are driving this genocide, it's Zionists (the two are not the same although there is an overlap).  I have some Lithuanian/Jewish ancestry on my father's side of the family but despite that I could never defend the actions going on in Gaza and now Lebanon, and I've never had any inclination to visit Israel though I have travelled on business or for holidays to several other Middle Eastern countries (still have Oman on my bucket list).  I have a strong suspicion that the Gaza genocide is partly driven by the discovery of offshore gas/oil which is difficult to get at because Gaza gets in the way.  As so often in life, follow the money.  The other factor is that the arms industry needs wars to make a profit so we get wars in the Middle Eastand in Ukraine rather than any serious attempts to promote peace.  Finally, Israeli interests have bought a lot of prominent politicians (including Keir Starmer) and they of course have huge influence in the USA.

I doubt we will ever see peace in the Middle East - right now Israel is creating another generation of young people in Gaza and Lebanon, and Yemsn and Syria who can't really be blamed for wanting it destroyed.

Can't see the oil/gas thing being a factor. Gaza is only 25miles long. It would be a bit like saying we couldn't take oil and gas out of the North Sea because there is nowhere to land it between Stonehaven and Montrose.

[Big Ramy 1314]

Just watching Al Jazeera news, and Netanyahu has just threatened the entire Middle East the fuckin nutbar !!!

[Hertsscot]

4 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Can't see the oil/gas thing being a factor. Gaza is only 25miles long. It would be a bit like saying we couldn't take oil and gas out of the North Sea because there is nowhere to land it between Stonehaven and Montrose.

I agree. Security is the major concern along with Netanyahu clinging to power. Netanyahu has prided himself on being the strong man keeping Israel safe but that was holed by the atrocities on 7 October. Israel is a really small state surrounded by neighbours who are or have been hostile to their existence or who have groups who feel they have no rights to exist (e.g. Hezbollah).

I think Netanyahu is securing Israel by taking this really hard line. I think he may succeed in the short term (and there will be Arab countries quite happy for them to reduce Iran's influence in the area). Quite whether this works beyond the short term is more questionable, the Israeli actions are equally likely to create another generation who hate them because of the indiscriminate killing of men, women and children. 

[Hertsscot]

21 hours ago, kumnio said:

As long as Israel and/or Islam exist, peace is impossible.

In an ideal world, we would wake up tomorrow and no one would have a clue what religion was, mosques, temples, churches etc would just be community centres, or just another building, and we would mainly all get along. But its never going to happen.

Sadly given the human propensity towards violence we'd find something else to fight about. 

[Big Ramy 1314]

34 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Prick !!!

[Hertsscot]

48 minutes ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

Prick !!!

One of Ramy's less controversial statements. Don't think anyone's going to disagree with your assessment of Jenrick.

[mariokempes]

2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Is he Jewish   , zionist or just funded by them? I know he's a cunt so no need to explain that bit..

[Orraloon]

1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

 

Badanoch also said that part of the test, to see if immigrants are suitable for the UK, should be that they must adhere to "British values" and show support for Israel. Because that's what real "British" people do. She didn't say that folk already here, who don't support Israel, should be deported but that could be her next step. It's like they are trying to tell us that it's time to take sides folks. If you don't support Israel then you are not welcome in their version of "Britain"

[RDFH64]

On 9/29/2024 at 8:38 PM, kumnio said:

As long as Israel and/or Islam exist, peace is impossible.

In an ideal world, we would wake up tomorrow and no one would have a clue what religion was, mosques, temples, churches etc would just be community centres, or just another building, and we would mainly all get along. But its never going to happen.

The ones who use any religion as a means of power & control over gullible, vulnerable or desperate people would find another cause/excuse to scare those people into following their poisoned lifestyle. Religion has killed more people than any disease or natural disaster. I’m a non believer but have seen what believing in a god can do for someone with a long suffering illness, bringing them hope & comfort. Like most things it’s been contaminated & abused by greedy power crazy crooks.

[Big Ramy 1314]

2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

"Is that a Star of David on the wall"

 

"You made me miss, I've never missed that board before "... Jack and David at the Slaughtered Lamb"...😂😂

[Bzzzz]

1 hour ago, Orraloon said:

Badanoch also said that part of the test, to see if immigrants are suitable for the UK, should be that they must adhere to "British values" and show support for Israel. Because that's what real "British" people do. She didn't say that folk already here, who don't support Israel, should be deported but that could be her next step. It's like they are trying to tell us that it's time to take sides folks. If you don't support Israel then you are not welcome in their version of "Britain"

Fk "Britain" and "being British". 

[Saint4805]

Agree with religion being a key root cause in all this. There is no good v evil here. Just evil v evil with a load of powerless and brainwashed civilians caught in the middle. Israel and Iran are like two drunken arseholes constantly looking for beef with each other. Regime change in both countries (to something more moderate) would go a long way to improving the situation IMO. I've met quite a few Iranians and they were top people. It's the leadership within the country that is the problem - same with Netanyahu and his far right cronies. 

I'm still perplexed as to how Israel didn't stop October 7th given the warnings and their A grade intelligence - yet they seem to be taking out leaders of opposition terrorist groups with pinpoint accuracy and have the intelligence to know exactly where they are. Not to mention being able to intercept the pagers/walkie-talkie supply chain etc. The cynic in me thinks they allowed it to happen which gave Netanyahu the 'in' he was looking for. One thing is for sure - he doesn't give a flying feck about the hostages and has no interest in a ceasefire.

[Big Ramy 1314]

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Cunt !!!

 

[Big Ramy 1314]

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

 

Cunt !

[Big Ramy 1314]

20 minutes ago, Saint4805 said:

Agree with religion being a key root cause in all this. There is no good v evil here. Just evil v evil with a load of powerless and brainwashed civilians caught in the middle. Israel and Iran are like two drunken arseholes constantly looking for beef with each other. Regime change in both countries (to something more moderate) would go a long way to improving the situation IMO. I've met quite a few Iranians and they were top people. It's the leadership within the country that is the problem - same with Netanyahu and his far right cronies. 

I'm still perplexed as to how Israel didn't stop October 7th given the warnings and their A grade intelligence - yet they seem to be taking out leaders of opposition terrorist groups with pinpoint accuracy and have the intelligence to know exactly where they are. Not to mention being able to intercept the pagers/walkie-talkie supply chain etc. The cynic in me thinks they allowed it to happen which gave Netanyahu the 'in' he was looking for. One thing is for sure - he doesn't give a flying feck about the hostages and has no interest in a ceasefire.

Evil vs Evil ?? Iran hasn't murdered nearly 45,000 innocent Palestinians in the last year, or invaded and murdering innocent men, woman , and children from Lebanon as I type this.....

[Alibi]

3 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Badanoch also said that part of the test, to see if immigrants are suitable for the UK, should be that they must adhere to "British values" and show support for Israel. Because that's what real "British" people do. She didn't say that folk already here, who don't support Israel, should be deported but that could be her next step. It's like they are trying to tell us that it's time to take sides folks. If you don't support Israel then you are not welcome in their version of "Britain"

Hang on, does the star of David go above or below the Ukrainian flag?  Are we not allowed to decide for ourselves who we support?  If other nations want us to like them, maybe they should stop acting like arseholes.

Will her next move be to ban the saltire?

 

[Big Ramy 1314]

46 minutes ago, Alibi said:

Hang on, does the star of David go above or below the Ukrainian flag?  Are we not allowed to decide for ourselves who we support?  If other nations want us to like them, maybe they should stop acting like arseholes.

Will her next move be to ban the saltire?

 

👍

[Big Ramy 1314]

3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Think what would happen if the boot was on the other shoe ?

And Iran has played it's part by arming Hamas

It is not cut and dried as good v evil

 

I never said Iran was good mate. I only pointed out Israel part in this disaster in the middle East..

[Big Ramy 1314]

9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Iran preparing to launch missile attack on Israel, says US, as Israel invades southern Lebanon

Knew that was coming, only a matter of time. 

[RDFH64]

1 hour ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

Evil vs Evil ?? Iran hasn't murdered nearly 45,000 innocent Palestinians in the last year, or invaded and murdering innocent men, woman , and children from Lebanon as I type this.....

Iran has probably murdered more than 45,000 of its own innocent men, women and children in the last few years 😵‍💫

[Hertsscot]

1 hour ago, RDFH64 said:

Iran has probably murdered more than 45,000 of its own innocent men, women and children in the last few years 😵‍💫

I suspect most people would prefer to live in Israel rather than Iran, particularly if you're a woman. I suspect quite a lot of Iranians would be very happy to get rid of the current regime. 

[kumnio]

Terrorist with a gun on the rampage in Tel Aviv, reports of between 3 to 10 people have been killed.

Iranian missiles falling on various parts of Israel.

Israel putting ground troops into Lebanon.

Calamitous few days, or just more normality in the Middle East.