hampden_loon2878 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I can’t understand why the snp have gone to the English Supreme Court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 As I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 All that for him to say naw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Supreme Court can judge on case; holding a referendum on independence is not within the powers of the Scottish Parliament - unanimously. This ruling was based on the point that an advisory referendum would have political consequences for the future of the union. Wouldn't an election not have political consequences for the union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I can’t understand why the snp have gone to the English Supreme Court It goes down the legal route and I would say it gives a boost to the Yes movement. People on the fence may take on board how small a say Scots have in this union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: It goes down the legal route and I would say it gives a boost to the Yes movement. People on the fence may take on board how small a say Scots have in this union. Union of equals............or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Kirk said: Union of equals............or not Of course it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I expected this. Hoped for a deferral however I am also hoping that this option has been gamed through.. Where next. The Yoons will now have to answer how exactly we get a referendum, how we can fulfill our Democratic choice. This has a long way to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, stocky said: I expected this. Hoped for a deferral however I am also hoping that this option has been gamed through.. Where next. The Yoons will now have to answer how exactly we get a referendum, how we can fulfill our Democratic choice. This has a long way to run. The problem always becomes when you take away a political route for something, you drive people to more extreme measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Clyde1998 said: The problem always becomes when you take away a political route for something, you drive people to more extreme measures. The Yoons would have contested this after the referendum or boycotted it all together. That would have been worse I think they had to do this, even though defeat was pretty certain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Was as I expected too. They came to a decision far too quick for it to be anything else imo. Not sure what to take from this other than very messy 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Well that’s that then. I don’t see any way forward from here unless the Uk government grants another referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 She now has to get the next move right, no room for mistakes. Needs to be strong and well thought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Malcolm said: Well that’s that then. I don’t see any way forward from here unless the Uk government grants another referendum. and that speaks very lowly for Scotland's supposed place in a union touted as 'a union of equals'. This result categorically rules that flowery description out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I can’t understand why the snp have gone to the English Supreme Court What court would you have had them go to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, stocky said: The Yoons would have contested this after the referendum or boycotted it all together. That would have been worse I think they had to do this, even though defeat was pretty certain Yeah, the question had to be answered and at least this is a definitive answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: The problem always becomes when you take away a political route for something, you drive people to more extreme measures. scottish republican army? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Malcolm said: recent times polls will include the view of him now which for obvious reasons is tainted. Cast your mind back to 2014. Yes, there was an arrogance about salmond, but also a swagger and inspirational personality. Nicola is viewed as dour. Anyway, it’s minor compared to other points. Both leaders are marmite. I would however take dour over a party in power who chooses numerous incompetent leaders within a few years and an ex health secretary who fooks off to the jungle whilst he remains an MP and thinks its ok to wipe bird shit off his seat with his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Both leaders are marmite. I would however take dour over a party in power who chooses numerous incompetent leaders within a few years and an ex health secretary who fooks off to the jungle whilst he remains an MP and thinks its ok to wipe bird shit off his seat with his hands. 😂😂😂 his political career is over. No credibility left after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Common sense prevails. Let's come back to it in another 15/20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Debian said: Common sense prevails. Let's come back to it in another 15/20 years. To deny the democratic will of your country is common sense.🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, stocky said: To deny the democratic will of your country is common sense.🤔 Democracy? What is that? Don't know of it in this union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Debian said: Common sense prevails. Let's come back to it in another 15/20 years. Common sense is very subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: Supreme Court can judge on case; holding a referendum on independence is not within the powers of the Scottish Parliament - unanimously. This ruling was based on the point that an advisory referendum would have political consequences for the future of the union. Wouldn't an election not have political consequences for the union? That's a very fair point. Maybe I'm naive but I am quite surprised by the verdict. I had half expected them to say, yes, the SG could hold a referendum but it wouldn't be legally binding without agreement with the UKG. This verdict though makes a mockery of the notion that the UK is a voluntary union. 30 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Well that’s that then. I don’t see any way forward from here unless the Uk government grants another referendum. Which they won't, not unless they have no other option politically, because this judgement has confirmed that they are not obliged to. The way forward, I guess, is to try to engage with the international community. To my mind it goes against the UN charter on human right but I'm no expert - clearly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, Malcolm said: scottish republican army? Hopefully not that far, but something like UDI after a general election suddenly becomes more viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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