Bzzzz Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 23 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: I watched it up until Sunak said to Flynn about Salmond and Russia Today There is no fucking point in the SNP being at PM's Questions never mind Westminster Some of them are clearly loving their time with their feet under the table. Pete Wishart's got a band you know with all his lovely new unionist pals.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 This article was amended on 11 January 2023. An earlier version described the list of approved countries as those “whose gender recognition certificates are automatically recognised by UK officials”; it has been amended to clarify that the list denotes those countries whose gender recognition certificates (or similar) are considered sufficient to automatically allow an individual to use the fast-track route to apply for a GRC in the UK. A reference to “reciprocal recognition” being withdrawn from some countries was removed (other than in direct quotes) to avoid the suggestion that the lists operate on the basis of agreed reciprocity. A response from the Cabinet Office, and some detail about the fast-track process, was also added UK review of gender recognition list risks ‘trans travel ban’ | Transgender | The Guardian A Cabinet Office spokesperson said transgender people “have not and will not be banned” from entering the UK. “The Government is merely ensuring that individuals who can access the UK’s fast-track gender recognition system, are from countries with at least equal checks and balances to the UK.” The fast-track overseas route means that an applicant with legal gender recognition from an approved country does not, for example, need to provide medical reports when applying for a GRC in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 2:02 PM, TDYER63 said: WHAT ???? There are 8 countries that have had similar system to Scotland since 2011 and havent disintegrated into a den of inequity ? Well , blow me down with a feather. Self ID in Belgium; no news is good news A wall of silence among journalists and institutions means the effects of self-ID are impossible to know Róisín Michaux Self ID in Belgium; no news is good news (substack.com) You can't manage what isn't measured and if you're adding a new risk into things why would you not want to measure it so you can manage the new exposure, and review accordingly in seeking improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Self ID in Belgium; no news is good news A wall of silence among journalists and institutions means the effects of self-ID are impossible to know Róisín Michaux Self ID in Belgium; no news is good news (substack.com) You can't manage what isn't measured and if you're adding a new risk into things why would you not want to measure it so you can manage the new exposure, and review accordingly in seeking improvement? What is the new risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 hours ago, aaid said: It’s a joint process but hey, you just crack on and blame Nicola Sturgeon because your local region didn’t get it. Jesus, Aberdeen and the North East really know how to nurse a grievance don’t they. Obvious Central Belt bias in awarding it to - *checks notes* - the Cromarty Firth. she has no time for the north east whatss so ever,, she does nothing for the fishing industry, letting the green brigade run riot with their false reports, she has thrown the oil and gas industry under the bus and does next to nothing for the farmers,, if sturgeon had her way, the north east would end up like the mining communities did under thatcher,, she is one dangers person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: she has no time for the north east whatss so ever,, she does nothing for the fishing industry, letting the green brigade run riot with their false reports, she has thrown the oil and gas industry under the bus and does next to nothing for the farmers,, if sturgeon had her way, the north east would end up like the mining communities did under thatcher,, she is one dangers person Cromarty Firth is in the North East of Scotland. This demonstrates your agenda perfectly. Making up BS for the pure sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: she has no time for the north east whatss so ever,, she does nothing for the fishing industry, letting the green brigade run riot with their false reports, she has thrown the oil and gas industry under the bus and does next to nothing for the farmers,, if sturgeon had her way, the north east would end up like the mining communities did under thatcher,, she is one dangers person Blaming it on Celtic fans now are we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: What is the new risk? A Gender Recognition Certificate doesn’t literally change your sex – it’s not a magic spell – but it is an extraordinarily powerful piece of paper. It enables you to have a new birth certificate issued saying that you were born the opposite sex. Your true sex becomes “protected information”, and it’s a criminal offence for someone who learns of it in an official capacity to disclose it unless one of a very limited list of exceptions applies. https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/naomi-cunningham-the-chilling-effect-of-scotlands-proposed-gender-recognition-regime Would that make it a potential criminal offence to mis gender someone? Not sure how accurate that is mind you, apparently it won’t change your sex legally but there does seem to be some debate around this I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: she has no time for the north east whatss so ever,, she does nothing for the fishing industry, letting the green brigade run riot with their false reports, she has thrown the oil and gas industry under the bus and does next to nothing for the farmers,, if sturgeon had her way, the north east would end up like the mining communities did under thatcher,, she is one dangers person We all post some amount of shite at times This is one of those occasions ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: A Gender Recognition Certificate doesn’t literally change your sex – it’s not a magic spell – but it is an extraordinarily powerful piece of paper. It enables you to have a new birth certificate issued saying that you were born the opposite sex. Your true sex becomes “protected information”, and it’s a criminal offence for someone who learns of it in an official capacity to disclose it unless one of a very limited list of exceptions applies. https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/naomi-cunningham-the-chilling-effect-of-scotlands-proposed-gender-recognition-regime Would that make it a potential criminal offence to mis gender someone? Not sure how accurate that is mind you, apparently it won’t change your sex legally but there does seem to be some debate around this I think. that’s a disgrace. Birth certificates are worthless then if they state blatant factual mistakes. I might choose to identify as ten years younger and choose to have my birth certificate to have a totally different date of birth - equally ludicrous. The world has gone mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Cromarty Firth is in the North East of Scotland. This demonstrates your agenda perfectly. Making up BS for the pure sake of it. Lol aye ok, first time I have ever heard that 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: We all post some amount of shite at times This is one of those occasions ! So what is shite with what I have said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: So what is shite with what I have said? All 7 points you made in your diatribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan II Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Malcolm said: that’s a disgrace. Birth certificates are worthless then if they state blatant factual mistakes. I might choose to identify as ten years younger and choose to have my birth certificate to have a totally different date of birth - equally ludicrous. The world has gone mad. I identify as a rich landowner. Call me Sir Duncan, I demand it. Now, where the hell is my country estate? I think I'll away and take my rightful ownership of some existing landowner's place of refuge. Now, THAT I could get behind. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, duncan II said: I identify as a rich landowner. Call me Sir Duncan, I demand it. Now, where the hell is my country estate? I think I'll away and take my rightful ownership of some existing landowner's place of refuge. Now, THAT I could get behind. 🙂 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Quite liking Penny Morduant… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 6 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: she has no time for the north east whatss so ever,, she does nothing for the fishing industry, letting the green brigade run riot with their false reports, she has thrown the oil and gas industry under the bus and does next to nothing for the farmers,, if sturgeon had her way, the north east would end up like the mining communities did under thatcher,, she is one dangers person Majority of those were no voting/supporting Brexiteers so my sympathy is very little for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Quite liking Penny Morduant… Call me shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Call me shocked. even you must admit she would have been better than Liz Truss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: A Gender Recognition Certificate doesn’t literally change your sex – it’s not a magic spell – but it is an extraordinarily powerful piece of paper. It enables you to have a new birth certificate issued saying that you were born the opposite sex. Your true sex becomes “protected information”, and it’s a criminal offence for someone who learns of it in an official capacity to disclose it unless one of a very limited list of exceptions applies. https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/naomi-cunningham-the-chilling-effect-of-scotlands-proposed-gender-recognition-regime Would that make it a potential criminal offence to mis gender someone? Not sure how accurate that is mind you, apparently it won’t change your sex legally but there does seem to be some debate around this I think. Surely you can say or call yourself whatever you want and have a right to that but gender is biological. I could say I identify as a slug, fine, but I'm biologically not a slug. You may have a legal right to say what you like but legally that is incorrect? biological status is biological status. Or maybe I'm not a slug, just a dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malcolm Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Bzzzz said: Surely you can say or call yourself whatever you want and have a right to that but gender is biological. I could say I identify as a slug, fine, but I'm biologically not a slug. You may have a legal right to say what you like but legally that is incorrect? biological status is biological status. Or maybe I'm not a slug, just a dinosaur. you are entirely correct. You cant change science despite what the loony left snp/green folk think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Majority of those were no voting/supporting Brexiteers so my sympathy is very little for them. Majority of the northeast voted brexit? Go look at the results of Aberdeenshire and get back to me,, the majority of Scotland voted no,, so that is also irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 hours ago, phart said: the current situation is unsustainable. Too many people living longer and not enough younger people coming through to grown the tax take. It’s very unclear to me how this situation can be resolved and I can only see it getting worse. A move to some kind of private health insurance seems inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: the current situation is unsustainable. Too many people living longer and not enough younger people coming through to grown the tax take. It’s very unclear to me how this situation can be resolved and I can only see it getting worse. A move to some kind of private health insurance seems inevitable. Health insurance has nothing to do with the factors at play here. It's ambulance waiting times which primary problem is social care which has been gutted during austerity. Moving to health insurance doesn't do anything for that. The American model of health insurance has been destroying the middle-class there much more effectively than a 2% disparity in the middle band tax-rate here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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