Caledonian Craig Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: I understand why they did it but I don’t think the snp immediately banging the drum for a second referendum following the no vote 2014 was helpful. Not sure how they progress from here either. I am thinking you are confused and you are speaking about after the Brexit vote as there was certainly no banging of the drum after 2014 result. All that happened was Salmond resigned and there was a fair few months of upheaval so no time for any drum beating. That started after the Brexit result - as it should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I am thinking you are confused and you are speaking about after the Brexit vote as there was certainly no banging of the drum after 2014 result. All that happened was Salmond resigned and there was a fair few months of upheaval so no time for any drum beating. That started after the Brexit result - as it should have. 2017 General Election Looks like a lot of people are forgetting what happened there including Wings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: 2017 General Election Looks like a lot of people are forgetting what happened there including Wings 2017 was before his computers were impounded by Special Branch 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Dave78 said: You're either misremembering, or buying into Brit nationalist propaganda. In the immediate aftermath, Sturgeon said there'd only be indyref2 if Yes consistently polled at least 60%, OR there was a material change in the circumstances from indyref1. Like Brexit, only she spent 3 years trying to overturn the democratic vote down south. Had she succeeded it would've made independence even LESS likely. Still, you've got folk saying that oor Nikla's "played a blinder" by going to the UKSC. Not sure WTF you can do with folk that can't see that The Empress is walking around stark fkin naked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, daviebee said: Like Brexit, only she spent 3 years trying to overturn the democratic vote down south. Had she succeeded it would've made independence even LESS likely. Still, you've got folk saying that oor Nikla's "played a blinder" by going to the UKSC. Not sure WTF you can do with folk that can't see that The Empress is walking around stark fkin naked. What would you have done differently then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, daviebee said: Like Brexit, only she spent 3 years trying to overturn the democratic vote down south. Had she succeeded it would've made independence even LESS likely. Still, you've got folk saying that oor Nikla's "played a blinder" by going to the UKSC. Not sure WTF you can do with folk that can't see that The Empress is walking around stark fkin naked. Again - the 2017 General Election right after Brexit threw an almighty quisling spanner in the works If you dont remember the SNP lost 21 seats The question of a proposed Scottish independence referendum was also thought likely to influence the campaign in Scotland. On 28 March 2017, the Scottish Parliament approved a motion requesting that Westminster pass a Section 30 order giving the Parliament the authority to hold a second independence referendum,[153] suggesting that there had been a "material change of circumstances" since the independence referendum in 2014 as a result of Britain's vote to leave the EU and Scotland's vote to remain.[154] The SNP hoped to hold a second independence referendum once the Brexit terms a were clear but before Britain left the EU; May said her government would not approve an independence referendum before Brexit negotiations had finished.[155] After the final results were announced the SNP had lost 13% of the Scottish vote and one third of their seats - leading Sturgeon to conclude that, "Undoubtedly the issue of an independence referendum was a factor in this election result, but I think there were other factors as well".[156] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Again - the 2017 General Election right after Brexit threw an almighty quisling spanner in the works If you dont remember the SNP lost 21 seats The question of a proposed Scottish independence referendum was also thought likely to influence the campaign in Scotland. On 28 March 2017, the Scottish Parliament approved a motion requesting that Westminster pass a Section 30 order giving the Parliament the authority to hold a second independence referendum,[153] suggesting that there had been a "material change of circumstances" since the independence referendum in 2014 as a result of Britain's vote to leave the EU and Scotland's vote to remain.[154] The SNP hoped to hold a second independence referendum once the Brexit terms a were clear but before Britain left the EU; May said her government would not approve an independence referendum before Brexit negotiations had finished.[155] After the final results were announced the SNP had lost 13% of the Scottish vote and one third of their seats - leading Sturgeon to conclude that, "Undoubtedly the issue of an independence referendum was a factor in this election result, but I think there were other factors as well".[156] Well as I remember that time posters on here were yelling for more. There were calls for extreme measures such as UDI so cannot see what posters here really wanted? Too little action and the SG was lambasted and asking for a referendum was wrong too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, aaid said: What would you have done differently then? Not try to overturn someone else's democratic vote and make independence less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, daviebee said: Not try to overturn someone else's democratic vote and make independence less likely. So you'd have done absolutely nothing then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, aaid said: So you'd have done absolutely nothing then. Aye that's right, I'd have done absolutely nothing. 🙄 And it still would've been better than what L Ron Sturgeon had to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, daviebee said: L Ron Sturgeon That made me laugh 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeedom Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, daviebee said: Aye that's right, I'd have done absolutely nothing. 🙄 And it still would've been better than what L Ron Sturgeon had to offer. Yeah, the "stop brexit" campaign was a disgrace. The people voted for it so that's what they should have got, to deny the democratic will of the people was hypocrisy of the highest order from Sturgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Freeedom said: Yeah, the "stop brexit" campaign was a disgrace. The people voted for it so that's what they should have got, to deny the democratic will of the people was hypocrisy of the highest order from Sturgeon Do you not think it was poorly worded rather than hypocritical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Freeedom said: Yeah, the "stop brexit" campaign was a disgrace. The people voted for it so that's what they should have got, to deny the democratic will of the people was hypocrisy of the highest order from Sturgeon It isn't what the people of Scotland voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Orraloon said: It isn't what the people of Scotland voted for. Exactly. I'll never forgive the english electorate for taking my/our EU citizenship off me/us against my/our will and tbh I'm struggling to accept the Scot Gov/SNP have seemingly done nothing about it. Edited November 25, 2022 by Bzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bzzzz said: Exactly. I'll never forgive the english electorate for taking my/our EU citizenship off me/us against my/our will and tbh I'm struggling to accept the Scot Gov/SNP have seemingly done nothing about it. What do you want them to do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeedom Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: It isn't what the people of Scotland voted for. Then you campaign for independence, you don't campaign to stop the democratic will of the rest of the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeedom Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Bzzzz said: Do you not think it was poorly worded rather than hypocritical? No, it was hypocritical. She campaigned to keep the UK in the EU despite the vote to leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Bzzzz said: Exactly. I'll never forgive the english electorate for taking my/our EU citizenship off me/us against my/our will and tbh I'm struggling to accept the Scot Gov/SNP have seemingly done nothing about it. Again - Brexit in 2016 may have been the material change in circumstances for another referendum however as the General Election in 2017 showed if we had went for it we would have lost What you should be struggling to accept is that the Scottish Electorate have done nothing about it and are still voting for Unionist parties in large numbers Is it any wonder the SNP have kicked the can down the road after the humiliation of the 2017 General election ? I have said for yonks that the only way those against Independence might wise up is to suffer the pain of leaving the EU because they havent until now Nicola Sturgeon does not want to have another referendum where Yes would lose whilst also respecting the electorate's wishes from 2014 onwards Those in Alba should consider that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Freeedom said: No, it was hypocritical. She campaigned to keep the UK in the EU despite the vote to leave So you think the Scottish Government should accept outcomes which Scotland hasn’t voted for but England has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Backtracking already. Mhairi Hunter, one of Sturgeon's go-to sh*t deflectors doing a bit of kite-flying. So we've gone from a "no ifs, no buts" referendum on 19th October next year to "the next general election will be a plebiscite and if you just all vote for us again it won't be a vote for independence as such, but we'll ask nicely if we can have a referendum." Good to see Nikla will be having a chat about things with her colleagues sometime next year. I thought given the urgency of the situation that these discussions would be happening this weekend at the very latest. Seemingly not though. Let's hope not too many folk die of the cold in the most energy-rich country in Europe in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 As much as I dislike brexit, it is the will of the people so we are stuck with it. It was a UK wide vote. All these brexit voters should be the last to complain about impending poverty as they voted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Malcolm said: As much as I dislike brexit, it is the will of the people so we are stuck with it. It was a UK wide vote. All these brexit voters should be the last to complain about impending poverty as they voted for it. Fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Fuck off You really are a nob. Nothing constructive to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeedom Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, aaid said: So you think the Scottish Government should accept outcomes which Scotland hasn’t voted for but England has? I think she should have accepted the result of the brexit vote and reignited the campaign for independence on the back of that vote, NOT campaigned to overturn the result. The lack of self awareness on her part was shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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