hampden_loon2878 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, aaid said: Then why do you? Because it needs to be spoken about because it will cost us our independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Because it needs to be spoken about because it will cost us our independence But you never talk about it beyond “I don’t like it”. You never explain why you don’t like it or why you think it damages independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, aaid said: But you never talk about it beyond “I don’t like it”. You never explain why you don’t like it or why you think it damages independence. I don’t like it because it will cost us Scottish independence, that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I don’t like it because it will cost us Scottish independence, that simple Why should it have any impact on the independence vote? It has nothing whatsoever to do with independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I really don’t want to Go down this path again but to me, the biggest threat to Scottish independence is the GRA bill. Some seem to think it’s not a problem, we’ll I can tell you 100% it is and is getting worse as the general public awaken to it Please don't ruin this thread with Willie or no Willie chat. This is about independence, whether someone has a Willie that doesn't want it or if someone hasnae a Willie and wants one has sfa to do with Indy. Please Start a Willie or no Willie thread if you wish to debate it. Can we stick to the issues here. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Hertsscot said: I'm surprised it hasn't been weaponised more tbh. On the other hand the SNP/Parliament could past the legislation anyhow irrespective of Indy Ref. The issues are, from one perspective, separate but overlap simply because of the parties who are pushing it. I do wonder what Labour will say about it in England but it just doesn't seem so much of an issue down south in terms of politics. This , whilst mainly a pop at the SNP, touches a little bit on Labour’s position , though doesn’t go into the situation in England in any big way . Possibly because they have bigger fish to fry down there. https://archive.ph/A9pTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: This , whilst mainly a pop at the SNP, touches a little bit on Labour’s position , though doesn’t go into the situation in England in any big way . Possibly because they have bigger fish to fry down there. https://archive.ph/A9pTV Theresa May was going ahead with essentially the same reform, Boris Johnson kicked it into the long grass. In Scotland, the Tories are the only party who are against and they are even giving a free vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63639814 I'm not a conspiracy theorist thinking SNP are deliberately undermining support for Indy but some of this is so cack handed you can understand why some people think that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63639814 I'm not a conspiracy theorist thinking SNP are deliberately undermining support for Indy but some of this is so cack handed you can understand why some people think that way. This is a complete joke. The woman impacted actually tried to claim that Nicola Sturgeon was responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Prof. Ronald MacDonald - is that his actual name ? 😆🤣 It certainly is: https://www.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i357/frances_cairncross_and_professor_ronald_macdonald_join_these_islands_advisory_council.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, aaid said: This is a complete joke. The woman impacted actually tried to claim that Nicola Sturgeon was responsible. I'm generally of the opinion that in life more things are cock ups than conspiracies but it's not a good look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: I'm generally of the opinion that in life more things are cock ups than conspiracies but it's not a good look. It is more than like a cock up. That said, I watched a little bit of the coverage - after the twitter stooshie - and there was a woman sitting behind Shona Robison so in clear shot when she was speaking wearing a purple and green scarf - different design - so I wonder if there's more to this than has met the eye. Regardless, its got nothing to do with the Scottish Government or the SNP as it's a Scottish Parliament cock-up. This is what the fuss is all abnut. Who wears a scarf indoors anyway. Edited November 15, 2022 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 When does the supreme court make their decision on scottish independence ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, aaid said: Why should it have any impact on the independence vote? It has nothing whatsoever to do with independence. wow are you that niave to think it will not is not being weaponized as a tool for the unionists? are you really that naive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, hampden_loon2878 said: wow are you that niave to think it will not is not being weaponized as a tool for the unionists? are you really that naive? I'm not that naïve - and who is falling for it hook, line and sinker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, aaid said: I'm not that naïve - and who is falling for it hook, line and sinker? i honestly couldnt care about it, i really couldnt give a shit,, i care that its going to cost us independence and it will, its going to cause lasting damage to indy and our devolved parliament. I will hold my hands up if we achieve indy and say i was wrong, i dont think you will when the shit hits the fan and it costs us independence, the public are only starting to engage in this and once the unionists decide to leverage the issue then we will be in serious trouble. Its so obvious anyone with half a brain can see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: When does the supreme court make their decision on scottish independence ? I don't think there was a specific date put on it, but they said it would "likely to be some months before we give our judgment". I'd expect a verdict early next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 So we didn't even get to the end of the first page of the new indyref thread and already off topic onto GRA stuff. 🙄 Why don't people who want to argue about GRA post it on the "trans stuff" thread, or create a dedicated GRA thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 33 minutes ago, exile said: So we didn't even get to the end of the first page of the new indyref thread and already off topic onto GRA stuff. 🙄 Why don't people who want to argue about GRA post it on the "trans stuff" thread, or create a dedicated GRA thread? because it may well end up being the difference in us gaining independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: because it may well end up being the difference in us gaining independence As I said previously, why does having a Willie or not, or wanting a Willie or not make any difference to how you will vote in the referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, stocky said: As I said previously, why does having a Willie or not, or wanting a Willie or not make any difference to how you will vote in the referendum. it wont make me vote differently, however i can 100% assure you it will make the difference to many.. thats all i am adding to this as it appears folk have there heads firmly in the sand.. depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: it wont make me vote differently, however i can 100% assure you it will make the difference to many.. thats all i am adding to this as it appears folk have there heads firmly in the sand.. depressing So in terms of party support, the SNP, Greens, Labour and Lib Dems are all in favour. Only the Tories are against. The votes In Holyrood are there. Even though they don’t have any elected representatives, Alba are also pretty much against GRA reform, the last time I checked they were a Nationalist party. Do you think that Alex Salmond, Kenny McAskill, Denise Findlay, etc., are all going to vote No? Where are all these people who would be put off independence and why are we not seeing any evidence that they exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 In a week when the SG expands a new benefit, the Scottish Child Payment, which could lift children in this country out of poverty, Newsnight has decided to do an item on...the GRA. It will set the young people of Scotland on a "different path from England", apparently. Aye, until Labour win the next GE and implement the same bloody thing down south. 🙄 I'm sick to death of hearing about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 10 hours ago, stocky said: Please don't ruin this thread with Willie or no Willie chat. This is about independence, whether someone has a Willie that doesn't want it or if someone hasnae a Willie and wants one has sfa to do with Indy. Please Start a Willie or no Willie thread if you wish to debate it. Can we stick to the issues here. Please. Spot on. Even after asking nicely though your plea was ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 its ok lads we have a referendum next year, i can feel the buzz like it was a year before 2014.. if only that were true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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