Malcolm Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Latest prediction is that it will top £6K a year for an average house by early next year. So if you were paying £1k a year in 2019, you will be looking at £6k, if you were paying £2k you are looking at £12k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 The Tories strike again. Meanwhile, in France, their energy bills rises are capped at 4% due to the fact their major energy supplier is state-owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Malcolm said: Latest prediction is that it will top £6K a year for an average house by early next year. So if you were paying £1k a year in 2019, you will be looking at £6k, if you were paying £2k you are looking at £12k. You were one of the few people who asked for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: You were one of the few people who asked for this. If you mean sanctions against russia then yes. we are suffering as a result of out energy dependency. im hoping Liz has some big tax cuts up her sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 There is a real risk that Russia will close the pipe altogether. That will be catastrophic, as Norway and France will then hold on to the gas and electricity they have and will not export to us. At that point the price will absolutely rocket and we will have to look at blackouts. The reason other countries are in a better place is they have storage and have already provisioned. We don’t. We are fvcked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Has anyone told Sid yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Malcolm said: There is a real risk that Russia will close the pipe altogether. That will be catastrophic, as Norway and France will then hold on to the gas and electricity they have and will not export to us. At that point the price will absolutely rocket and we will have to look at blackouts. The reason other countries are in a better place is they have storage and have already provisioned. We don’t. We are fvcked. Do we Then we need to switch off the power we export.( Probably not ally) Scotland is a net exporter of energy. We need to say this more often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Toepoke said: Has anyone told Sid yet? only oldies like me will get that joke. Everyone was happy when they got their cheap shares. 3 hours ago, stocky said: Do we Then we need to switch off the power we export.( Probably not ally) Scotland is a net exporter of energy. We need to say this more often I would think that only applies to electricity and not gas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: only oldies like me will get that joke. Everyone was happy when they got their cheap shares. I would think that only applies to electricity and not gas? But everyone else (the majority of the country) was not. Money makes more money and sod everyone else 'cos I'm alright Jack (or Union Jack ?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, fringo said: But everyone else (the majority of the country) was not. Money makes more money and sod everyone else 'cos I'm alright Jack (or Union Jack ?). Union Jack hasn’t anything to do with it. My grandparents who were working class got in on it. They also did right to buy. One voted Tory, the other labour, but they embraced share ownership and owning their own home, having come from very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 here you go…. Energy rationing… that’s why they want you all to have a smart meter. They want to control you. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62626908 the world economic forum agenda in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squirrelhumper Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, chaff said: But but but there's a war on (just don't mention Brexit or UK Gov policy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 Long term the only answer is to drive down the cost of electricity, to move away from gas. This means a fuck load of nuclear power. As a country we have been negligent in not investing in this technology as it’s by far the cheapest and most stable power source. Gas boilers will need to be replaced by electric boilers… the cost of running a 40kwh electric boiler at the moment would be horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguffin Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 On 8/21/2022 at 9:32 AM, Caledonian Craig said: The Tories strike again. Meanwhile, in France, their energy bills rises are capped at 4% due to the fact their major energy supplier is state-owned. This is an astonishing contrast (with the >200% in the UK). 4% !!! (Sorry, I duplicated this info on the IndyRef thread, not realising you'd already mentioned it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, mcguffin said: This is an astonishing contrast (with the >200% in the UK). 4% !!! (Sorry, I duplicated this info on the IndyRef thread, not realising you'd already mentioned it). The French government control their own energy supplies though (and a load of the UK's too. Thanks Maggie). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguffin Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: The French government control their own energy supplies though (and a load of the UK's too. Thanks Maggie). Good (but depressing) point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 Have the riots started yet? I will give it until it gets cold in November. this is a political disaster for the tories. Ofgem laying it at the door of the government. Labour playing a blinder by saying they would freeze it now. boris is an utter cock and totally hopeless. I suspect Truss will have to do some kind of freeze or be destroyed at the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 latest prediction for April cap is £6823. For an average household. @TDYER63, still feeling confident in your bold prediction that we will not hit the £10k mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Any views on the electricity transmission / grid charges issue, whereby Scottish generators pay much more to supply to the UK grid while some places in the south are actually paid or subsidised to do so? Some say it's a fair way to reflect distributional costs, others say it's a swindle, exploiting Scotland unfairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 A related issue is household savings. For too many families there's absolutely nothing to fall back on, nothing 'saved for a rainy day'. Combination of low interest rates, little incentive to save, changed societal attitudes, normalisation of living in credit and depressed wages due to austerity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Malcolm said: latest prediction for April cap is £6823. For an average household. @TDYER63, still feeling confident in your bold prediction that we will not hit the £10k mark? I am on a paddle board in Loch Lomond and its 20 degrees. I am no panicking just yet ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: I am on a paddle board in Loch Lomond and its 20 degrees. I am no panicking just yet ! 😂😂😂👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 19 hours ago, TDYER63 said: I am on a paddle board in Loch Lomond and its 20 degrees. I am no panicking just yet ! The female ability to multitask never ceases to amaze me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 23 hours ago, Hertsscot said: A related issue is household savings. For too many families there's absolutely nothing to fall back on, nothing 'saved for a rainy day'. Combination of low interest rates, little incentive to save, changed societal attitudes, normalisation of living in credit and depressed wages due to austerity. i think a lot of people saved during the pandemic. There was a whole load of pent up demand. i think Liz’s idea to reduce vat to 15% is a good one as it will encourage spending and keep thr economy moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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