mccaughey85 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, aaid said: I suspect all those people calling for Clarke’s head would be surprised to know that his record in the qualifiers for Qatar is exactly the same as Craig Brown’s for France in 1998, finishing second in a six team group. The qualification mechanism then meant we qualified as the best runner-up then, this time we went into a playoff which we obviously didn’t win. Those were the best qualification campaigns we’ve had since the break up of the Soviet Union and former Yugoslavia. Today’s game was absolutely appalling and totally unacceptable but anyone calling for the manager’s head needs to be careful about what they wish for. Madness really. Short memories or just delusional expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 I wouldn’t sack him no. Torn between we should be doing better and maybe this is as good as a team with many limited players can get. It was the manner of the defeat that’s the most worrying. Ireland out fought us from the first minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo cop Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I wouldn’t sack him no. Torn between we should be doing better and maybe this is as good as a team with many limited players can get. It was the manner of the defeat that’s the most worrying. Ireland out fought us from the first minute. My thoughts as well, also the manner of defeat v Ukraine was not much better. This is the worrying thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersub Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 59 minutes ago, exile said: I think it depends on the performance. A hard fought and/or skilful display that is just derailed by some agonising bounce or decision going against us is one thing. But a third abject performance where the players don't turn up, and/or seem to meekly accept defeat and/or show no urgency as if it's an end of season friendly, then serious questions would need asked. This sums it up. Worrying that we couldn't muster a performance against an Ireland team struggling for form following on from a very disappointing performance against Ukraine. The players must take the blame but it's the manager who gives the tactics/instructions. That said, I do think Clarke his it within him to bring us better days and cannot think of anyone better placed at this time. Just hard to watch him on the touchline with his hands behind his back when he has the power to change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 59 minutes ago, ger intae them said: Folk who want him gone are kids having a tantrum. Starting threads saying he should ‘fuck off’ is purely rudiculous. we’d go through a manager a year if you listened to that pish, and when you do sack quickly all that you attract are the shitey short-termers in for a quick payday and off…… so, anyway, is big Sam available ? I'm not a kid having a tantrum. I'm a guy who knows about football and can see he isn't the person to take us forward. There's no plan B for this guy, and he sits there and lookd like a buffoon with Carter, Naismith and the long haired rocker. He shouldn't have had a contract extension, and he'll stay because the SFA won't be able to afford the payoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, mccaughey85 said: Lol its quite unbelievable how quick ppl can turn on a manager whos overall done quite well for us. Saying that a loss to armenia and hes probably gotta go or should go. never fails to amaze me how fickle football fans are,, we need a performance in armenia there's a bit of pressure there now.. i never realised how integral Tierney was to the system until now. There are simply too much players off their game just now,, can that be blamed on a long long season? possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 41 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I wouldn’t sack him no. Torn between we should be doing better and maybe this is as good as a team with many limited players can get. It was the manner of the defeat that’s the most worrying. Ireland out fought us from the first minute. we have a better group of players than ireland, thats the real worry bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Debian said: I'm not a kid having a tantrum. I'm a guy who knows about football and can see he isn't the person to take us forward. There's no plan B for this guy, and he sits there and lookd like a buffoon with Carter, Naismith and the long haired rocker. He shouldn't have had a contract extension, and he'll stay because the SFA won't be able to afford the payoff. do you remember how we were under mcliesh? to say we haven't gone forward is nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: we have a better group of players than ireland, thats the real worry bit How many times have we said that though after bad defeats. I know what you mean though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Omg….. we have just been destroyed by Ireland. A nobody of international football. We have far superior players but have been destroyed and humiliated. Clarke must consider this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: do you remember how we were under mcliesh? to say we haven't gone forward is nonsense Mcleish wouldn't have lost that game 3-0 You're a lemming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Malcolm said: We have far superior players But do we ? As you will see in another thread some people think we have superior players than Wales too We have a one or two good players, none of which can influence the outcome of a game We have a larger number of mediocre to average players - none of which can influence the outcome a game And we have a few that are not good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: But do we ? As you will see in another thread some people think we have superior players than Wales too We have a one or two good players, none of which can influence the outcome of a game We have a larger number of mediocre to average players - none of which can influence the outcome a game And we have a few that are not good enough Yes we do. Superior players in almost every position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 49 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: do you remember how we were under mcliesh? to say we haven't gone forward is nonsense I can remember. He got us to a playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Yes we do. Superior players in almost every position Well if that's true then it must be either the managers fault or the players arent interested The easier answer is that they are not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: Well if that's true then it must be either the managers fault or the players arent interested The easier answer is that they are not Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Maybe the worst result in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said: do you remember how we were under mcliesh? to say we haven't gone forward is nonsense OK I've forgotten, how were we under Mcleish apart from losing a game 3-0 away from home that we were expected to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: Maybe the worst result in my lifetime. You must be helluva young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: I wouldn’t sack him no. Torn between we should be doing better and maybe this is as good as a team with many limited players can get. It was the manner of the defeat that’s the most worrying. Ireland out fought us from the first minute. This.... Sacking him would be a huge mistake (much like dumping Strachan was). Though no doubt the honeymoon is over. Absolute minimum Scotland should be finishing 2nd in this group. Clarke good enough good will in bank for me : however I am concerned by tonight's performance. Players need to take blame (and, to be fair, look knackered after long season). Losing Tierney has been huge. He makes 3-5-2 work. Basically keeps back 3 tight while also being extra man going forward at opportune moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: OK I've forgotten, how were we under Mcleish apart from losing a game 3-0 away from home that we were expected to win. Khazikhstan was far worse Edited June 11, 2022 by hampden_loon2878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Khazikhstan was far worse Not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, Toepoke said: You must be helluva young. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Not so sure. i am, look at irelands previous ten games prior to the armenia game,, Ireland are no diddy team and yes we should be beating them but the steve clarke must go mob are a bunch of rockets,, lose the next game then yes we start to worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 hours ago, kumnio said: 😂😂😂 time and place big man Where's this happening ? I'll haud your drinks, I'm considerate that way. They'll be empty when you get them back tho right enough. 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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