Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said: Think we are probably back to where we were two years ago, the fortunate euros qualification set expectation too high and at an unrealistic level as to where we really are . we will beat teams lower than us, fail too often against teams around our level. we won’t trouble second seed type teams , never mind top seeds Yet under Vogts, Burley, Strachan and even Levein, we gave the likes of Germany, Croatia, Spain & the Netherlands (at home) real good games. I don't think Clarke's team could do this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Is it a talented generation though? I believe so, if we have the right manager in charge who can get the best out of this group of players. Edited June 11, 2022 by Scot1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Is it a talented generation though? Compared to the time we had the likes of Scott Dobie, Robbie Stockdale, Paul Devlin, yes, this is a much much better generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Dublin and Cardiff are such great trips to watch Scotland. I done a few. Until you actually experience our performance on the pitch. Then you regret spending a shot load of cash to endure that crap. A very sobering experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Miller's tache Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: Good players naturally play better around other good players. Also at club level you're training with your team mates every day, compared to roughly a week every two months at international level - so players won't (necessarily) have the same level of cohesion. That must be why Bale plays so much better for madrid than he does for wales 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Yes. But we are going to be in pot 3 now. Now I think about it, I think one of the League B teams will be in pot 4. Somebody will tell me if I'm wrong? That could well be us, if we continue to play that badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Scot1 said: I believe so, if we have the right manager in charge who can see how to get the best out of this group of players. Clarke’s been able to do that on a few occasions but I’m not so sure we’re good enough, obviously a performance like that is unforgivable and the manager must take the blame but I think our problems run deeper than the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Yet under Vogts, Burley, Strachan and even Levein, we gave the likes of Germany, Croatia, Spain & the Netherlands (at home) real good games. I don't think Clarke's team could do this We gave England a game, we beat Denmark who are a top side right now. I didn't think we gave Spain a game, the scoreline makes it look closer than it was. I always felt they could go up another gear if they had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) Still confused why Scott Wright never got near that squad. Edited June 11, 2022 by EddardStark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, ParisInAKilt said: Clarke’s been able to do that on a few occasions but I’m not so sure we’re good enough, obviously a performance like that is unforgivable and the manager must take the blame but I think our problems run deeper than the manager. I think a good manager will switch us to a back 4, if he can then get the balance right in midfield (built around Gilmour), we’ve got a decent team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 That was on a par with Kazakhstan away in 2019. At least then we had the mitigating factors of the game being played in the back of beyond in a different time zone and McLeish having to field a second-string team because of multiple call-offs. With the exception of Tierney and possibly Dykes our strongest team was available to the manager today, yet they produce that shite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, scotlad said: That was on a par with Kazakhstan away in 2019. At least then we had the mitigating factors of the game being played in the back of beyond in a different time zone and McLeish having to field a second-string team because of multiple call-offs. With the exception of Tierney and possibly Dykes our strongest team was available to the manager today, yet they produce that shite! It was definitely the worst performance under Clarke but I don't feel as bad after this compared to Kazakhstan. I still think this team has something with this manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 There was something about the demeanour of several Scotland players today that I just didn't like. Almost like a "fuck this for a game of sodgers" kind of vibe. I'll say it again, something just ain't right and it's being kept from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, scotlad said: That was on a par with Kazakhstan away in 2019. At least then we had the mitigating factors of the game being played in the back of beyond in a different time zone and McLeish having to field a second-string team because of multiple call-offs. With the exception of Tierney and possibly Dykes our strongest team was available to the manager today, yet they produce that shite! I still think we were too quick to get rid of McLeish. He got sacked on the back of that one bad result. Every other manager was given more of a chance than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, ErsatzThistle said: There was something about the demeanour of several Scotland players today that I just didn't like. Almost like a "fuck this for a game of sodgers" kind of vibe. I'll say it again, something just ain't right and it's being kept from us. I agree, something is off. The energy and pace of the team is way off what we've seen during the world cup group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: I still think we were too quick to get rid of McLeish. He got sacked on the back of that one bad result. Every other manager was given more of a chance than that. Aye, you'll need better bait than that. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: I still think we were too quick to get rid of McLeish. He got sacked on the back of that one bad result. Every other manager was given more of a chance than that. I realise that Alex McLeish is a great hero of yours, that's fine. But he had to sacked for the good of his own physical health. Thankfully, he's looking great recently, which I'm glad to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: There was something about the demeanour of several Scotland players today that I just didn't like. Almost like a "fuck this for a game of sodgers" kind of vibe. I'll say it again, something just ain't right and it's being kept from us. Maybe something to do with Clarke’s reaction after the Ukraine defeat. I don’t believe that he “put his hands up” and took the blame, which in my opinion, he should’ve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Has Mcginn turned to shit since the speculation of his move to Tottenham? Used to be Mr dependable but Jesus, what the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: I agree, something is off. The energy and pace of the team is way off what we've seen during the world cup group All it takes is one bad apple (for example the greedy, selfish wee fucker Lou Macari in the 78' squad) to poison the rest of them. Something definetly ain't right. Have a group of players fallen out among themselves ? Has there been a dispute with Steve Clarke or one of the coaches ? Or are the SFA blazer brigade involved ? A team just doesn't collapse like that. There's got to be a deeper reason. Edited June 11, 2022 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Scot1 said: Maybe something to do with Clarke’s reaction after the Ukraine defeat. I don’t believe that he “put his hands up” and took the blame, which in my opinion, he should’ve. The players did........well the captain did take responsibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 What happened to that guy on here who said McLeish was an Alzheimers riddled alcoholic? He seemed perfectly OK the last time I saw him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, Orraloon said: What happened to that guy on here who said McLeish was an Alzheimers riddled alcoholic? He seemed perfectly OK the last time I saw him. He had health problems three years ago and was in no state to continue as manager. There were also rumours that the players themselves raised serious concerns for his welfare. He looked great when he met my grandad at the cup final a few weeks back. The decision to sack McLeish was nonetheless the correct one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, Orraloon said: What happened to that guy on here who said McLeish was an Alzheimers riddled alcoholic? He seemed perfectly OK the last time I saw him. Gosh who could that be. I am pretty sure he is online right now. (More than one. Both online within the last 20 minutes.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Embarrassing shite. Missing KT and Jack big time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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