ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Last council elections were a disaster for the SNP hard for them to be have a worse resultĀ In 2017 council elections the SNP won the most council seats they have ever held - until today when they surpassed that. Only a moron would spin this as some kind of defeat. This election has been a total disaster for the Alba Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, scotlad said: Despite Labour/GMB's hatchet job, the SNP win Glasgow - by one seat! Labour made a few gains, the Tories a few losses (including Mr Natalie McGarry, who lost his seat in Pollokshields) and the Greens now have 10 councillors. Close but no cigar for Labour, I presume itāll be an SNP/Green coalition. That result for the Greens shouldnāt be a surprise as the signs were there in the list votes last year. Tories 4th in Glasgow and 5th in Edinburgh.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Ā then the party will Hoover up votes from the snp..Ā And pigs might fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Big movement of unionist voters in Embra away from the Tories and towards the Lib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, aaid said: Close but no cigar for Labour, I presume itāll be an SNP/Green coalition. That result for the Greens shouldnāt be a surprise as the signs were there in the list votes last year. Tories 4th in Glasgow and 5th in Edinburgh.Ā It looks like a lot of Tory voters from 2017 voted Labour this time, going by the percentages. Part of me is slightly disappointed Labour didn't regain Glasgow. It would have been funny seeing them having to actually do something instead of just criticising and disrupting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, scotlad said: It looks like a lot of Tory voters from 2017 voted Labour this time, going by the percentages. Part of me is slightly disappointed Labour didn't regain Glasgow. It would have been funny seeing them having to actually do something instead of just criticising and disrupting. A lot will be made of Labour coming second but in reality, theyāve only really taken advantage of the Tories imploding, their vote share only went up by 1.6%. ironically enough, this is just a reversal of the situation in 2016 when it was the Tories that took advantage. Incidentally, going into government and being all wokey-cokey doesnāt seem to be going too badly for the Greens so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 SNP did surprisingly well given the 'resurgence' of Labour and could easily have lost Glasgow.Ā I wonder if the STV system has a part to play - it would be interesting to see if indy supporters giving preference to Labour over Tories one a wise basis helped to elect Labour councillors. Then again it must even out in unpredictable ways. ThoseĀ indy Labour & LD preferences over Tories must in other cases have helped get rid of Tories.Ā Seems the Tories lost councillors to all other (seat-winning) parties all over Scotland - a bit of a rout. Poor old Ruth Davidson trying to spin that it was from a high water mark of 2017 (set by, er, herself). But let's not forget she weighed in big time as poster girl for Tories big time overshadowing her own 'leader'Ā all to no avail. Meanwhile Ross blaming partygate despite flip flopping to support Big Dog in the end. What a mess.Ā Alba maybe need to rethink where best to deploy their energyĀ - a national campaigning organisation maybe but is it really worth fighting on the council front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 58 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Former head of the Orange Order elected was elected a Labour councillor in Lanarkshire. Let's see how they spin that one. š¤£ should have known with flares being back in fashion there is no reason politics cant give a nod to the 70ās too.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, scotlad said: It looks like a lot of Tory voters from 2017 voted Labour this time, going by the percentages. Part of me is slightly disappointed Labour didn't regain Glasgow. It would have been funny seeing them having to actually do something instead of just criticising and disrupting. Thatās exactly what it looks like to me. They are just moving back and forth.Ā Ā 55 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Big movement of unionist voters in Embra away from the Tories and towards the Lib Dems. The definition of having lost all hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Tartan Tonna taking his beloved Alba Party's humilation well I see .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Ā The definition of having lost all hope. š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Thatās exactly what it looks like to me. They are just moving back and forth.Ā Ā Itās just rearranging the deckchairs on the good ship Better Together.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, aaid said: Itās just rearranging the deckchairs on the good ship Better Together.Ā Apparently there is a "British Unionist Party" formed from a rump of BT activists, who got a councillor elected somewhere in deepest North Lanarkshire.Ā Edited May 6, 2022 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: In 2017 council elections the SNP won the most council seats they have ever held - until today when they surpassed that. Only a moron would spin this as some kind of defeat. This election has been a total disaster for the Alba Party. Whos spinning it as a defeat? 2017 was a disaster, remember just prior to the election that I warned you specifically that the snp were going to lose a load of seats? I remember you in particular being a dick prior to it. I add, holding glasgow by one seat is a horrendous resultĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Whos spinning it as a defeat? 2017 was a disaster, remember just prior to the election that I warned you specifically that the snp were going to lose a load of seats? I remember you in particular being a dick prior to it. I add, holding glasgow by one seat is a horrendous resultĀ The 2017 council election (which is what we are talking about) were not a disaster. I know your upset that the Alba experiment is now firmly dead in the water but you can't spin today's result as a bad one for the SNP. It has been a very good result for them. Alba surely can't survive much longer. The party is being bankrolled only by Salmond, the glamorous TAS, and a former Dennistoun mature brothel owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Whos spinning it as a defeat? 2017 was a disaster, remember just prior to the election that I warned you specifically that the snp were going to lose a load of seats? I remember you in particular being a dick prior to it. I add, holding glasgow by one seat is a horrendous resultĀ In 2017 the SNP lost 7 council seats and 0.03% of their vote share. Ā In other words they stood still. Ā I doubt anyone could describe that as a disaster.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 hours ago, TDYER63 said: In that case what have you been doing with your time ya lazy bassa , you have not been on here for ages š Ā I know. Been out playing on my scooter when the weather has been ok, Babysitting the grandweans. How are you doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: The 2017 council election (which is what we are talking about) were not a disaster. I know your upset that the Alba experiment is now firmly dead in the water but you can't spin today's result as a bad one for the SNP. It has been a very good result for them. Alba surely can't survive much longer. The party is being bankrolled only by Salmond, the glamorous TAS, and a former Dennistoun mature brothel owner. Alba will be there at the next election I am pretty sure of that. I am not upset in the slightest as it was always going to be difficult.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, aaid said: In 2017 the SNP lost 7 council seats and 0.03% of their vote share. Ā In other words they stood still. Ā I doubt anyone could describe that as a disaster.Ā Considering how much of the vote share they lost compared to the holyrood elections, yes it was a disaster no question about that. They should have wiped the board at that counselsĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 40 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: The 2017 council election (which is what we are talking about) were not a disaster. I know your upset that the Alba experiment is now firmly dead in the water but you can't spin today's result as a bad one for the SNP. It has been a very good result for them. Alba surely can't survive much longer. The party is being bankrolled only by Salmond, the glamorous TAS, and a former Dennistoun mature brothel owner. Is there such a thing as a mature brothel? Or only formerly one, in Dennistoun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, exile said: Is there such a thing as a mature brothel? Or only formerly one, in Dennistoun? One of the major funders of the Alba Party was exposed last year as having formerly run a brothel in Dennistoun that was exclusively staffed with women over fifty. https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19565262.alba-party-kept-afloat-money-salmond-ppe-firm-loan/ Bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: One of the major funders of the Alba Party was exposed last year as having formerly run a brothel in Dennistoun that was exclusively staffed with women over fifty. https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19565262.alba-party-kept-afloat-money-salmond-ppe-firm-loan/ Bizarre. Ok, Ok... So it's the husband of the brothel keeper.... couldn't read the article but I'll take your word for it. So it's the staff not the punters who are mature... but it invites more questions but better not derail off topicĀ š Edited May 6, 2022 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, exile said: Ok, Ok... So it's the husband of the brothel keeper.... couldn't read the article but I'll take your word for it. So it's the staff not the punters who are mature... but it invites more questions but better not derail off topicĀ š The husband's profiteering PPE business is also worth note. Alba are a joke political party. The fools who have donated money to them would have been better off giving it to charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: The husband's profiteering PPE business is also worth note. Alba are a joke political party. The fools who have donated money to them would have been better off giving it to charity. A Salmond onlyfans might be the way to pay for the next election campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 31 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Considering how much of the vote share they lost compared to the holyrood elections, yes it was a disaster no question about that. They should have wiped the board at that counselsĀ So youāre comparing results at two different elections to different institutions under different electoral systems - thatās wise. Hereās why thatās a problem. Ā Under STV, people donāt always vote for the party theyād vote for in a Holyrood election on either the list or FPTP parts. Thatās because these are multi-member wards, so letās say youāre an SNP supporter in a three member ward and theyāve got two candidates standing. Ā You might actually vote for another candidate first to keep them in, knowing that if they are elected or are knocked out that your vote will transfer accordingly. Ā Thatās of course more applicable when you are talking about independent candidates, who got 10% of the FPs in 2017, which is a significant number. Trying to suggest that there was a drop in vote share between the 2016 HR election and the 2017 council elections is nonsense - itās comparing apples and oranges.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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