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46 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said:

Since Rolling Hills tragically drowned whilst bathing in his own toilet, it's been between Malcolm and Ramy for the prize of board idiot.

Cmon now, there can only be one idiot, although Im not sure the Ramy is smart enough to qualify for that title. Malcolm is just your typical hun.

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12 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

Headline on bbc 10pm news. Russians commiting war crimes.  Torture and execution of 650 civilians.

You do know what War actually is - especially one of attrition ?

Unless you think the side you want to win goes around handing out lollipops

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3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

You do know what War actually is - especially one of attrition ?

Unless you think the side you want to win goes around handing out lollipops


yes, I know what war is.  I also know what the Geneva convention is.  
 

and also yes, I’m hoping for a humiliating defeat for Russia and a return to economic ruin for them.

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12 minutes ago, Malcolm said:


yes, I know what war is.  I also know what the Geneva convention is.  
 

 

Two sentences that show you actually dont

 

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21 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

Please explain why.

Because in almost every war since the Geneva convention was ratified it has only mattered after the War was finished

Unless of course you are America

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11 hours ago, Malcolm said:


yes, I know what war is.  I also know what the Geneva convention is.  
 

and also yes, I’m hoping for a humiliating defeat for Russia and a return to economic ruin for them.

And the only Russians who will really suffer will be the innocent public who probably haven’t a clue what’s been going on, Putin & the elite will still enjoy tucking into their caviar.

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On 5/15/2022 at 12:21 AM, vanderark14 said:

I usually don't care but what's this got to do with trump?

Yeah amusing to go on the Trump thread to talk about Nazis when he can't (or rather won't) see them right in front of face on this one. 

It is hilarious. 'Sees' nazis where none exist for years and years.. then along come some real nazis... pretends they don't exist... nazis? what nazis, I don't see no nazis?

It really is shameless. 😀

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On 5/13/2022 at 1:38 PM, RDFH64 said:

Sure thpinth will have some report from Moscow saying it was Ukrainian azov nazis who did it to make Russia look like murderers which of course they obviously aren’t.

 

26 minutes ago, RDFH64 said:

And the only Russians who will really suffer will be the innocent public who probably haven’t a clue what’s been going on, Putin & the elite will still enjoy tucking into their caviar.

Looks like Malcom has a challenger for the crown. 😀

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1 minute ago, thplinth said:

 

Looks like Malcom has a challenger for the crown. 😀

Please explain your latest idiotic posting, do you think the general Russian public would not suffer more the the Russian elite if their economy crashed or are you that embedded in the Kremlins corridors that you just don’t care about them comrade thplinth.

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2 hours ago, thplinth said:

Yeah amusing to go on the Trump thread to talk about Nazis when he can't (or rather won't) see them right in front of face on this one. 

It is hilarious. 'Sees' nazis where none exist for years and years.. then along come some real nazis... pretends they don't exist... nazis? what nazis, I don't see no nazis?

It really is shameless. 😀

Wanna do a count of the times i have said that there are white nationalists (Nazis) fighting on the Ukraine side to the amount of times you have said there are white nationalists (Nazis) fighting on the Russian side ?

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43 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

I could see why they might.  Retaliation and an aim to remove the threat.

Ukraine don't have the capacity to remove the threat by invasion. It'd prolong the conflict for years.

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Lot in this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-05-15/buffalo-mass-shooting-complicates-ukraine-war-narrative

(That 'manifesto' if that is the right term is something to behold. I struggle to believe an 18 year did that alone. It is quite odd.)

And check this out (it is from a link in the article above also). This was written in 2019... (The Buffalo shooter plagiarised the NZ Mosque shooter apparently.)

  • There are possible links between the recent New Zealand mosque shooter and a Ukrainian ultra-nationalist white supremacist paramilitary organization called the Azov Battalion.
  • The Azov Battalion is emerging as a critical node in the transnational right-wing violent extremist (RWE) movement.
  • Recruits from the U.S., Norway, Italy, Germany, the United Kingdom, Brazil, Sweden, and Australia, among others, have reportedly traveled to train with the Azov Battalion.
  • The global nature of these groups is just one of several similarities between RWEs and Salafi-jihadists.

https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-the-transnational-network-that-nobody-is-talking-about/

That Whitney Webb journalist was right. The US and the EU have nurtured and created a European neonazi version of al Qaeda here or even worse ISIS.

Training up ultra nationalist extremists and flooding Europe with extremely dangerous and portable weapons that are already for sure in the wrong hands.

Plus who is now going to be selling oil and gas to the EU if not Russia. Is it our friends who are orchestrating this war by any chance. Gosh I wonder if this is why the pound and the euro have crashed against the dollar. Seems the markets know it is good news for the USA and bad news for Europe even if most people in Europe don't know (yet).

What this amounts to is a massive heist, a massive wealth transfer from the EU economy to the US economy. We are being robbed basically and destabilized and used just like the Ukrainians are being used.

All because the US expects all other countries to be serfs to them. A quote from Lavrov...

The (Russian) foreign minister stressed that “large, self-respecting countries will not put up with the role the West wants them to play, the role of obedient mutes”.

This is what all of this is about IMHO, dominance.

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23 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Lot in this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-05-15/buffalo-mass-shooting-complicates-ukraine-war-narrative

(That 'manifesto' if that is the right term is something to behold. I struggle to believe an 18 year did that alone. It is quite odd.)

And check this out (it is from a link in the article above also). This was written in 2019... (The Buffalo shooter plagiarised the NZ Mosque shooter apparently.)

  • There are possible links between the recent New Zealand mosque shooter and a Ukrainian ultra-nationalist white supremacist paramilitary organization called the Azov Battalion.
  • The Azov Battalion is emerging as a critical node in the transnational right-wing violent extremist (RWE) movement.
  • Recruits from the U.S., Norway, Italy, Germany, the United Kingdom, Brazil, Sweden, and Australia, among others, have reportedly traveled to train with the Azov Battalion.
  • The global nature of these groups is just one of several similarities between RWEs and Salafi-jihadists.

https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-the-transnational-network-that-nobody-is-talking-about/

That Whitney Webb journalist was right. The US and the EU have nurtured and created a European neonazi version of al Qaeda here or even worse ISIS.

Training up ultra nationalist extremists and flooding Europe with extremely dangerous and portable weapons that are already for sure in the wrong hands.

Plus who is now going to be selling oil and gas to the EU if not Russia. Is it our friends who are orchestrating this war by any chance. Gosh I wonder if this is why the pound and the euro have crashed against the dollar. Seems the markets know it is good news for the USA and bad news for Europe even if most people in Europe don't know (yet).

What this amounts to is a massive heist, a massive wealth transfer from the EU economy to the US economy. We are being robbed basically and destabilized and used just like the Ukrainians are being used.

All because the US expects all other countries to be serfs to them. A quote from Lavrov...

The (Russian) foreign minister stressed that “large, self-respecting countries will not put up with the role the West wants them to play, the role of obedient mutes”.

This is what all of this is about IMHO, dominance.


usa are not the enemy.  Russia and china are.

 

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21 minutes ago, Malcolm said:


usa are not the enemy.  Russia and china are.

 

Russia and China. The two countries the west relies on for so much oil, gas, wheat, steel, etc. Why would we boost our enemies economy so much?

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How Europe Was Pushed Towards Economic Suicide

With the active help from Europe's 'leadership' the U.S. is succeeding in ruining Europe.

As Michael Hudson, a research professor of Economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City, wrote in early February, before Russia's intervention in Ukraine:

America no longer has the monetary power and seemingly chronic trade and balance-of-payments surplus that enabled it to draw up the world’s trade and investment rules in 1944-45. The threat to U.S. dominance is that China, Russia and Mackinder’s Eurasian World Island heartland are offering better trade and investment opportunities than are available from the United States with its increasingly desperate demand for sacrifices from its NATO and other allies.

The most glaring example is the U.S. drive to block Germany from authorizing the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to obtain Russian gas for the coming cold weather. Angela Merkel agreed with Donald Trump to spend $1 billion building a new LNG port to become more dependent on highly priced U.S. LNG. (The plan was cancelled after the U.S. and German elections changed both leaders.) But Germany has no other way of heating many of its houses and office buildings (or supplying its fertilizer companies) than with Russian gas.

The only way left for U.S. diplomats to block European purchases is to goad Russia into a military response and then claim that avenging this response outweighs any purely national economic interest. As hawkish Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, explained in a State Department press briefing on January 27: “If Russia invades Ukraine one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” The problem is to create a suitably offensive incident and depict Russia as the aggressor.

In mid February OSCE observer noted that the artillery bombardment of Donbas by the Ukrainians increased from a handful to over 2,000 explosions per day. Russia reacted to these attack preparations by recognizing the Donbas republics, signing defense agreements with them and by finally coming to their help.

Shortly after the launch of the Russian military operation Professor Hudson further developed his earlier thoughts:

The recent prodding of Russia by expanding Ukrainian anti-Russian ethnic violence by Ukraine’s neo-Nazi post-2014 Maiden regime aims at forcing a showdown. It comes in response to the fear by U.S. interests that they are losing their economic and political hold on their NATO allies and other Dollar Area satellites as these countries have seen their major opportunities for gain to lie in increasing trade and investment with China and Russia.
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As President Biden explained, the current military escalation (“Prodding the Bear”) is not really about Ukraine. Biden promised at the outset that no U.S. troops would be involved. But he has been demanding for over a year that Germany prevent the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from supplying its industry and housing with low-priced gas and turn to the much higher-priced U.S. suppliers.
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[T]he most pressing U.S. strategic aim of NATO confrontation with Russia is soaring oil and gas prices. In addition to creating profits and stock-market gains for U.S. companies, higher energy prices will take much of the steam out of the German economy.

In early April Professor Hudson took another look at the situation:

It is now clear that the New Cold War was planned over a year ago, with serious strategy associated with America’s perceived to block Nord Stream 2 as part of its aim of barring Western Europe (“NATO”) from seeking prosperity by mutual trade and investment with China and Russia.
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So the Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk regions were shelled with increasing intensity, and when Russia still refrained from responding, plans reportedly were drawn up for a great showdown last February – a heavy Western Ukrainian attack organized by U.S. advisors and armed by NATO.
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European trade and investment prior to the War to Create Sanctions had promised a rising mutual prosperity among Germany, France and other NATO countries vis-à-vis Russia and China. Russia was providing abundant energy at a competitive price, and this energy supply was to make a quantum leap with Nord Stream 2. Europe was to earn the foreign exchange to pay for this rising import trade by a combination of exporting more industrial manufactures to Russia and capital investment in rebuilding the Russian economy, e.g. by German auto companies, aircraft and financial investment. This bilateral trade and investment is now stopped – for many, many years, given NATO’s confiscation of Russia’s foreign reserves kept in euros and British sterling.

The European response to the U.S. proxy war against Russia was based on media driven hysteric moralizing or maybe moralizing hysteria. It was and is neither rational nor realistic.

The European 'leadership' decided that nothing but the economic suicide of Europe was sufficient to show Russia that Brussels was seriously miffed. Dimwit national governments, including the German one, followed that program. Should they stay on their course the result will be a complete de-industrialization of western Europe.

In the words of one serious observer:

Today, we see that for purely political reasons, driven by their own ambitions, and under pressure from their US overlord, the European countries are imposing more sanctions on the oil and gas markets which will lead to more inflation. Instead of admitting their mistakes, they are looking for a guilty party elsewhere.
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One gets the impression that Western politicians and economists simply forget basic economic laws or just choose to ignore them.
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[S]aying no to Russian energy means that Europe will systemically and for the long term become the world’s most costly region for energy resources. Yes, prices will rise, and resources will go to counter these price hikes, but this will not change the situation significantly. Some analysts are saying that it will seriously or even irrevocably undermine the competitiveness of a significant portion of European industry, which is already losing ground to companies from other parts of the world. Now, these processes will certainly pick up pace. Clearly, the opportunities for economic activity, with its improvements, will leave Europe for other regions, as will Russia’s energy resources.

This economic auto-da-fe… suicide is, of course, the internal affair of the European countries.
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Now our partners’ erratic actions – this is what they are – have resulted in a de facto growth in revenue in the Russian oil-and-gas sector in addition to the damage to the European economy.
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Understanding what steps the West will take in the near future, we must reach conclusions in advance and be proactive, turning the thoughtless chaotic steps of some of our partners to our advantage for the benefit of our country. Naturally, we should not hope for their endless mistakes. We should simply, practically proceed from current realities, as I said.

Vladimir Putin, Meeting on oil industry development, May 17 2022, Kremlin, Moscow

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/how-europe-was-pushed-towards-economic-suicide.html

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