Scots_Wha_Hae Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Another to add to the 2002 list in Connor Barron who made his first start for Aberdeen last night (previously on loan to Kelty Hearts, had made one sub appearance for Aberdeen before too I think). By all accounts he apparently played well. A previous U17 international for Scotland, he may be in and around the U21s in the coming season (too old for the 19s I think). It may be simply my perception, but a very high proportion of the kids breaking into first team squads this season do seem to have been involved in the PS system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Â I could have swore Alex Lowry was a PS student. And didn't someone say King was as well? I've been suspecting these JD badges have been wrong for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Tartan blood said: Â I could have swore Alex Lowry was a PS student. And didn't someone say King was as well? I've been suspecting these JD badges have been wrong for a while. I think Devine was aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeks_mctavish Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 If it’s correct, would it not be a bit disappointing to only have 5 performance school players in the under 19s at this stage? Could the SFA  really be so incompetent that they fail to identify who’s come through their own system? I suppose the answer to that one is yes, it’s not only possible but actually pretty bloody likely!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeks_mctavish Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I did a quick search and found an article in the Athletic about Alex Lowry’s time in the performance schools. Looks like they did fuck it up!  https://theathletic.com/3084268/2022/01/22/alex-lowry-rangers-ibrox-scoring-debut/?amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 10 hours ago, breeks_mctavish said: I did a quick search and found an article in the Athletic about Alex Lowry’s time in the performance schools. Looks like they did fuck it up!  https://theathletic.com/3084268/2022/01/22/alex-lowry-rangers-ibrox-scoring-debut/?amp I also did a quick google of past squads and literally the first one I found didn't have Liam Morrison or Calvin Ramsay down as being part of the performance schools. It's consistent incompetence. Or the cynic in me might think it was deliberate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHfaeGTA Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 10 performance school graduates named in latest under 21 squad today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 8:33 AM, Tartan blood said: I also did a quick google of past squads and literally the first one I found didn't have Liam Morrison or Calvin Ramsay down as being part of the performance schools. It's consistent incompetence. Or the cynic in me might think it was deliberate... That one is particularly funny given they even use his picture (top right in the squad photo) to advertise the Aberdeen school on their website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/performance/jd-performance-schools/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Perhaps they only get listed for term they are at PS or some odd anomaly like that. Those that were at PS and left mid-course to join football clubs etc may not get credited. Just a stab in the dark but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Some notable young players on display tonight including Alex Lowry for Rangers and 16yo Rory MacLeod for Dundee United against Celtic and Connor Barron for Aberdeen. A good few also benching including Leon King (Rangers), Liam Harvey and Dylan Lobban (both hearts)Â All are performance school participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeks_mctavish Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Some other performance school players playing… Archie Meekison at Dundee Utd, Liam Harvey who came on for Aberdeen, Billy Gilmour getting 90 minutes with Norwich getting pumped as usual! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Quite an interesting article about the increased Italian attention of Scottish players, but also a lot about the Performance School system and how it is starting to be noticed around Europe.  I bang on about this system quite a lot, but as someone who keeps a keen eye on the youth systems here it is absolutely clear (at least anecdotally) how many of our best young talents are coming through this system, but also that our best young talents from this system are playing at higher levels than ever before.  https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/12651219/aaron-hickey-lewis-ferguson-josh-doig-why-bologna-and-other-serie-a-clubs-are-targeting-young-scottish-players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I remember a lot of scepticism when these schools were launched but the signs are slowly but surely there that they are working. If putting a sponsor on replica jerseys would mean more money to pump into the Performance Schools, then I'd be in favour. Only an idiot would want them abolished. They are doing good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 8:21 PM, Scots_Wha_Hae said: Quite an interesting article about the increased Italian attention of Scottish players, but also a lot about the Performance School system and how it is starting to be noticed around Europe.  I bang on about this system quite a lot, but as someone who keeps a keen eye on the youth systems here it is absolutely clear (at least anecdotally) how many of our best young talents are coming through this system, but also that our best young talents from this system are playing at higher levels than ever before.  https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/12651219/aaron-hickey-lewis-ferguson-josh-doig-why-bologna-and-other-serie-a-clubs-are-targeting-young-scottish-players I don't think any of those 3 went to the Performance Schools. Did Doig, actually? Celtic and Dundee Utd have been running their own version of the performance schools for over a decade, so you could say Hickey inadvertenty is a graduate. It's not a coincidence that both these teams have had a high percentage of professional footballers come from their academies. I mentioned Celtic's success with creating internationals in another thread. But I'd love to know how many Dundee Utd have produced as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHfaeGTA Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 11:42 AM, Tartan blood said: I don't think any of those 3 went to the Performance Schools. Did Doig, actually? Celtic and Dundee Utd have been running their own version of the performance schools for over a decade, so you could say Hickey inadvertenty is a graduate. It's not a coincidence that both these teams have had a high percentage of professional footballers come from their academies. I mentioned Celtic's success with creating internationals in another thread. But I'd love to know how many Dundee Utd have produced as well. Over last 10 years off the top of my head loads of U21s (and youth internationals) but not too many full internationalists. Stuart Armstrong, John and Harry Souttar. Can’t think of any others. Think Russel and Goodwillie were before the United performance school. Andy Robertson was never in the United academy. Apparently Jack Hendry was at United as a youngster but not sure if he was at performance school. Don’t think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHfaeGTA Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Update from post above: Over last 10 years off the top of my head loads of U21s (and youth internationals) but not too many full internationalists. Stuart Armstrong, John and Harry Souttar. Can’t think of any others. Actually don’t think Srmstrong was in performance school because he joined United Academy in mid teens from Inverness. Not certain whether the Souttars went to the performance schools because they were from outside Dundee like Gauld. Think Russel and Goodwillie were before the United performance school. Andy Robertson was never in the United academy. Apparently Jack Hendry was at United as a youngster but not sure if he was at performance school. Don’t think so. Loads of players (10+) who played in first team last season were in the performance school in Dundee with a few since moved on eg Appere, Kerr Smith and Lewis Neilson.  if I was to guess who would be next performance school graduate from Tannadice to become full international it would be Ross Graham  if he continues to develop like he did last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 11:42 AM, Tartan blood said: I don't think any of those 3 went to the Performance Schools. Did Doig, actually? Celtic and Dundee Utd have been running their own version of the performance schools for over a decade, so you could say Hickey inadvertenty is a graduate. It's not a coincidence that both these teams have had a high percentage of professional footballers come from their academies. I mentioned Celtic's success with creating internationals in another thread. But I'd love to know how many Dundee Utd have produced as well. Yeah, you are right. Fergusson would have been too old I think by a year to have been properly in the system. Hickey went to the Celtic version (St Ninian’s), Doig went to plain old Porty High. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 5:46 PM, GHfaeGTA said: Update from post above: Over last 10 years off the top of my head loads of U21s (and youth internationals) but not too many full internationalists. Stuart Armstrong, John and Harry Souttar. Can’t think of any others. Actually don’t think Srmstrong was in performance school because he joined United Academy in mid teens from Inverness. Not certain whether the Souttars went to the performance schools because they were from outside Dundee like Gauld. Think Russel and Goodwillie were before the United performance school. Andy Robertson was never in the United academy. Apparently Jack Hendry was at United as a youngster but not sure if he was at performance school. Don’t think so. Loads of players (10+) who played in first team last season were in the performance school in Dundee with a few since moved on eg Appere, Kerr Smith and Lewis Neilson.  if I was to guess who would be next performance school graduate from Tannadice to become full international it would be Ross Graham  if he continues to develop like he did last season. In my original post I did say Dundee Utd produced lots of professional footballers, but not necessarily full internationalists. It stands to reason the best youths would be recruited early at the big Edinburgh and Glasgow clubs. But I still reckon Dundee Utd still created a higher percentage of pros than most other teams. I don't have anything to substantiate that other than anecdotal evidence (and my memory). Anyway, I would hope we are past the point of anyone claiming Performance Schools aren't a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitch Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 It would be nice if the SFA did a list of players that have been at the Schools and where they are now and what they are doing in football. It would give a great bit of information for us to look at and follow. It would also be a great way for them to show what they have done and if it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 hours ago, stitch said: It would be nice if the SFA did a list of players that have been at the Schools and where they are now and what they are doing in football. It would give a great bit of information for us to look at and follow. It would also be a great way for them to show what they have done and if it's working. They rarely get the right 'JD' badges next to the player names on the squad lists, so I wouldn't hold your breath. It's possible that they are deliberately holding back on highlighting the schools, as even the oldest graduate would only be 21 and can't have achieved much yet. Saying that, we have graduates at Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool and Bayern Munich already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davied14 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 All this talk about what school our players went to, quite a throwback. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitch Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) Tartan blood I know what you mean they have not been running for long but the SFA doesn't have a lot to shout about. you would think they would be all over this. Just from this topic we can see how well a lot of the youngsters are doing. You would think they could add more names to the list and get it out there for more to try and compete with what we have. Edited July 21, 2022 by stitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) On 7/20/2022 at 8:49 PM, Tartan blood said: They rarely get the right 'JD' badges next to the player names on the squad lists, so I wouldn't hold your breath. It's possible that they are deliberately holding back on highlighting the schools, as even the oldest graduate would only be 21 and can't have achieved much yet. Saying that, we have graduates at Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool and Bayern Munich already. Any at Man City? Virtually a 1/3rd of their u19 starting 11 are Scottish Edited July 24, 2022 by Bobby Russell's Lovechild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/24/2022 at 7:18 AM, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Any at Man City? Virtually a 1/3rd of their u19 starting 11 are Scottish Good question, that hopefully someone else can answer. You'd imagine at least one or two would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tartan blood said: Good question, that hopefully someone else can answer. You'd imagine at least one or two would be. There are 4 in the City system (at either U19 or U23 level, I think they have all played both), 2 of whom are probably familiar to most in slicker and mebude: Cieran Slicker: keeper, City youth system Liam Smith: winger, joined from Killie Dire Mebude: winger/striker, joined from Rangers Josh Adam: centre mid, joined from Celtic Slicker and Mebude both qualified for other international teams in England and Nigeria respectively. Edit: just realised the question was how many came through or were involved in the PS system. Adam and Mebude both were although neither graduated as far as I know as both left early to transfer to city. May be wrong on that point though.   Edited July 25, 2022 by Scots_Wha_Hae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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