bisland boy Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Sounds like Fraser might be struggling to keep his place in the squad for play offs https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/23/steve-clarke-hints-ryan-fraser-not-in-scotland-plans-after-missing-games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, bisland boy said: Sounds like Fraser might be struggling to keep his place in the squad for play offs https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/23/steve-clarke-hints-ryan-fraser-not-in-scotland-plans-after-missing-games I am a fan of his ability but he always drops out of squads and only has 22 caps which is pretty poor. His commitment is questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breeks_mctavish Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Totally behind Clarke in this. He doesn’t add enough to warrant rocking the boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 That's a very measured statement and sends out a strong message, not just to Fraser but to everybody else as well. “He wasn’t involved through his own choice in the November games,” the manager said. “To be honest I don’t think we missed him. I thought the team was good in both games so Ryan could have his work cut out to be back in the squad. That’s just the nature of the competition for places. It’s not a squad that you want to give up your place in lightly.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 hours ago, bisland boy said: Sounds like Fraser might be struggling to keep his place in the squad for play offs https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/23/steve-clarke-hints-ryan-fraser-not-in-scotland-plans-after-missing-games When he is on form, I genuinely would put him in the same bracket of player as our undroppables. But I would not blame Clarke one bit if he doesn't pick him in March. We can't have any divas in the squad, or people who put themselves ahead of the team. I always give players the benefit of the doubt, but that statement from Clarke is quite telling. I'm actually surprised Eddie Howe has seemingly forgiven him for what he did at Bournemouth and is playing him semi-regularly. Though that might just be until the transfer window opens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That's a very measured statement and sends out a strong message, not just to Fraser but to everybody else as well. “He wasn’t involved through his own choice in the November games,” the manager said. “To be honest I don’t think we missed him. I thought the team was good in both games so Ryan could have his work cut out to be back in the squad. That’s just the nature of the competition for places. It’s not a squad that you want to give up your place in lightly.” Thats a brutal assessment by clarke but fair play to him, if fraser has chosen to pull out for no reason then he doesn't deserve anything but harsh criticism. He's always pulled out squads and he simply doesn't deserve a place in our squad. We don't play with wingers anyway so arguably frasers only position is the second striker spot which we have a few players who can play that position. Also sounds like Dykes would run through walls for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougiemacfarlanearran Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Get him tae !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 i personally dont think we have a strong enough squad to be isolating any players - a couple of injuries or players missing for other reasons and we would need a player of Frasers ability Personally i would have liked to have seen a more diplomatic engagement with the player behind the scene. A friendly but direct private conversation to better understand his commitment to the squad I appreciate on the outside his commitment to the country looks suspect however he has turned up many times especially when we weren't so good and results were tough and when you look at his reaction to scoring a couple of goals in the last campaign looked over the moon. So i dont get why he would try and create issues for himself when were only 2 games away from the WC i dont quite get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 There's always a place for wingers - or wide men if you prefer - who can come in near the end and provide a telling cross and for that reason alone we should be in no hurry to exclude him as we have few who are in his class or better. Forrest is one, though now injury-prone and ageing - so who else is there? I can only think of Barrie McKay and maybe Mikey Johnston. But I also accept that he is not a first choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, borojock said: i personally dont think we have a strong enough squad to be isolating any players - a couple of injuries or players missing for other reasons and we would need a player of Frasers ability Personally i would have liked to have seen a more diplomatic engagement with the player behind the scene. A friendly but direct private conversation to better understand his commitment to the squad I appreciate on the outside his commitment to the country looks suspect however he has turned up many times especially when we weren't so good and results were tough and when you look at his reaction to scoring a couple of goals in the last campaign looked over the moon. So i dont get why he would try and create issues for himself when were only 2 games away from the WC i dont quite get it Yeh but it's clear from that interview that fraser chose not to go despite being fit and able. I think that interview is quite shocking to hear, Clarke has basically outed fraser and he's quite right to do so. Fuck fraser from now on is my attitude. Give his squad place to someone hungry and talented who would appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: There's always a place for wingers - or wide men if you prefer - who can come in near the end and provide a telling cross and for that reason alone we should be in no hurry to exclude him as we have few who are in his class or better. Forrest is one, though now injury-prone and ageing - so who else is there? I can only think of Barrie McKay and maybe Mikey Johnston. But I also accept that he is not a first choice. It's handy to have wingers in the squad but it's not massively important considering the formation we play these days. If we were regularly playing 442 or 451 then Fraser would be a bigger loss but we don't so it's not as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Ive always erred on the side of caution when it comes to players pulling out of squads etc but it sounds like Fraser has used up alot of good will with Clarke. I think Clarkes played a smart one here. He is laying down the law in public whilst praising Dykes at the same time. I dont think the doors closed for Fraser but id be surprised to see him again anytime soon. If he gets a regular game, has good form etc and then works his way back into the squad and shows commitment then we should give him backing. As others have said though we dont play with wingers so its not as key. We do seem to be moving towards a 5221 formation though so he might be useful as one of the 2 behind the striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 When he's fit he's a good player and he has done well for us - when he's bothered to show up. His commitment is very questionable and he's currently in and out of a team at the bottom of the EPL, so it would be no great loss if he didn't get picked again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Good strong statement from Clarke. I like that. It lets Fraser know he’s got ground to make up and probably needs to make efforts to reach out to the manager if he’s actually interested in stating his commitment. It sets a great tone to the rest of the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 What is baffling is that Fraser has looked ecstatic after some Scotland games. To pull out in the sober light of day is very odd, although it seems clear that is what he’s done. Maybe he’s susceptible to bullying from other influences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Fraser is playing well for Newcastle and he’s performed well for us. He’s clearly a much better player than Jacob Brown & plays the same position, so I don’t really see why his position would be in doubt (I don’t think it is tbh). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said: What is baffling is that Fraser has looked ecstatic after some Scotland games. To pull out in the sober light of day is very odd, although it seems clear that is what he’s done. Maybe he’s susceptible to bullying from other influences. Yeh maybe pressure from his clubs to pull out has been more the problem. He seems like a nice humble bloke so it's disappointing that he's not turning up as playing for your country should be a massive honour. Also he's a good player on his day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Fraser is playing well for Newcastle and he’s performed well for us. He’s clearly a much better player than Jacob Brown & plays the same position, so I don’t really see why his position would be in doubt (I don’t think it is tbh). Just getting him to bother his arse to turn up is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 5 hours ago, ProudScot said: Fraser is playing well for Newcastle and he’s performed well for us. He’s clearly a much better player than Jacob Brown & plays the same position, so I don’t really see why his position would be in doubt (I don’t think it is tbh). Is Fraser playing well for Newcastle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Is Fraser playing well for Newcastle? Can’t say stats wise what his will be (probably nothing special) but from watching the tv highlights he seems to be involved more in attacks like Fraser of 2/3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Like it or not, Fraser is one of our best inside forwards. If we are playing one up he is unlikely to figure but when we play two I would play two from three from Adams, dykes and fraser. I think he competes with Christie for the same role and is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 He is playing more again under howe than I thought he would and is a bit noticeable in games again. as others have said that might just be to get him moved on in January possibly back to the championship, possibly to the West Brom / Fulham type level . I did miss one obvious team out of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: Like it or not, Fraser is one of our best inside forwards. If we are playing one up he is unlikely to figure but when we play two I would play two from three from Adams, dykes and fraser. I think he competes with Christie for the same role and is better. For me would be in the 23 man squad i would play 3-4-2-1 and of the 4 players i would take forthe 2 behind the striker i think he gives you something different also gives great adaptability could play a couple of roles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Fraser on his day is a fantastic option to have...I'm no sure we are at the point where we can jettison attacking players like him...although I do understand Clarkes stance and quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: Like it or not, Fraser is one of our best inside forwards. If we are playing one up he is unlikely to figure but when we play two I would play two from three from Adams, dykes and fraser. I think he competes with Christie for the same role and is better. Hes great when on form but if he's not committed he can fuck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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