todd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Texas Pete said: The rules should be changed anyway. The SFA should lodge a complaint with UEFA. We could end up with several players being suspended after playing 10 games and be drawn against a team in the playoffs which has only played 8 games. How is that fair? That's a good point, I'd forgotten about the different group sizes. The SFA are far too meek to say fuck all though Edited November 14, 2021 by todd Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 6 hours ago, weekevie04 said: I agree with you, but sure Clarke has done that before. I agree with you, I'm sure I've seen players called up at the last moment and end up starting (for different Scotland managers) in recent years. Sorry @Texas Pete I can't remember which. Did they fancy something in training, or did they think they should have went for them in the first place? Anyway, has not happened this time yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Texas Pete said: We could end up with several players being suspended after playing 10 games and be drawn against a team in the playoffs which has only played 8 games. How is that fair? I agree, the best way to rectify it would be not to carry forward bookings against the Pot 6 teams into the play-offs. Although in our case this time Patterson on Friday was the only player booked in our two games v Moldova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Toepoke said: I agree, the best way to rectify it would be not to carry forward bookings against the Pot 6 teams into the play-offs. Although in our case this time Patterson on Friday was the only player booked in our two games v Moldova. Yeah that would be a good solution. Wouldn’t help us much but at least it would be fair. I’d prefer it if yellow cards were wiped altogether after the group stage. I’m sure that has happened in the past although I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Best way is for players not to get booked in the first place. The rules are known beforehand. Let's not pretend otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Best way is for players not to get booked in the first place. The rules are known beforehand. Let's not pretend otherwise. Exactly. The rules were set out, and all the teams knew how the system worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Best way is for players not to get booked in the first place. The rules are known beforehand. Let's not pretend otherwise. That is true but ffs 2 bookings and you miss the next match? That's fuckin ridiculous, I think they're ultimately trying to make 'soccer ball' an absolute non contact sport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, jailender said: Exactly. The rules were set out, and all the teams knew how the system worked. But like Texas Pete said, did they think to factor in the fact that some countries have to play 10 games to get to the playoffs whereas others only have to play 8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Yeah that would be a good solution. Wouldn’t help us much but at least it would be fair. I’d prefer it if yellow cards were wiped altogether after the group stage. I’m sure that has happened in the past although I could be wrong. I'm sure that has happened in the past. But maybe that's largely dependent on who is in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, todd said: That is true but ffs 2 bookings and you miss the next match? That's fuckin ridiculous, I think they're ultimately trying to make 'soccer ball' an absolute non contact sport! It isn't ridiculous. It's the rules - and rules that we have benefitted from in this group. If we don't like it - then don't pick up cheap cards like Patterson did on Friday. Sorry - it really is that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said: It isn't ridiculous. It's the rules - and rules that we have benefitted from in this group. If we don't like it - then don't pick up cheap cards like Patterson did on Friday. Sorry - it really is that simple. Is it though? Some countries have to play 10 games some have to play 8, sorry but it really isn't that simple you condescending ## Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, todd said: Is it though? Some countries have to play 10 games some have to play 8, sorry but it really isn't that simple you condescending ## Not sure what your final phrase added to the debate. Was it really necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said: Not sure what your final phrase added to the debate. Was it really necessary? Was you condescension necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Just now, todd said: Was you condescension necessary? Absolutely no condescension expressed or intended. Any perceived condescension is down to your interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Absolutely no condescension expressed or intended. Any perceived condescension is down to your interpretation. "Sorry- it really is that simple" seems pretty condescending to me. Anyway, so you disagree that the game ratio is unfair with regards to bookings? Also how have we benefited from this rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, todd said: "Sorry- it really is that simple" seems pretty condescending to me. Anyway, so you disagree that the game ratio is unfair with regards to bookings? Also how have we benefited from this rule? This thread's about Anthony Ralston and not about interpretation of rules. If you have a problem with being pointed to the rules - which are clear - then that's your issue. We have benefited - and also been punished - from the rules against Israel and Moldova. Look it up for yourself. I've no issue with the 10 v 8 games thing - that's up to us to deal with and the best way to deal with it is don't pick up yellow cards. Back to Anthony Ralston - delighted for him, and although he may not get game time this week, I hope his call-up gives an additional boost to his progress. Nothing condescending in that - I hope? Either way - good to talk to you tonight, and hopefully we are smiling after a positive result tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: This thread's about Anthony Ralston and not about interpretation of rules. If you have a problem with being pointed to the rules - which are clear - then that's your issue. We have benefited - and also been punished - from the rules against Israel and Moldova. Look it up for yourself. I've no issue with the 10 v 8 games thing - that's up to us to deal with and the best way to deal with it is don't pick up yellow cards. Back to Anthony Ralston - delighted for him, and although he may not get game time this week, I hope his call-up gives an additional boost to his progress. Nothing condescending in that - I hope? Either way - good to talk to you tonight, and hopefully we are smiling after a positive result tomorrow. Fair enough mate wasn't my intention to get into a slanging match, hey, we're both on the same side here, let's get into these tomorrow 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Lets just hope we can keep clarke as long as possible. Hes going to get big offers if he keeps this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I would start him. He's an in form player. Even my Motherwell supporting mates are saying SOD is a bit shaky just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 It was good to see Ralston come on and get capped. I think he has improved a lot this year, so he was well worth is call up. Hopefully he can keep firing on at club level and be in the squad for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 He is third choice behind Patterson and o donnel. Will only get in if either of them are injured or form drops significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 hours ago, weekevie04 said: It was good to see Ralston come on and get capped. I think he has improved a lot this year, so he was well worth is call up. Hopefully he can keep firing on at club level and be in the squad for the playoffs. It will be good to see if he kicks on after this hopefully it gives him confidence and hunger in his progression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Malcolm said: He is third choice behind Patterson and o donnel. Will only get in if either of them are injured or form drops significantly. Don’t think he will be for long if he keeps his form up. He’s been one of the best players in the league this season & speaking of current form, if O’Donnell keeps his up then he won’t be in the Motherwell team soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, ProudScot said: Don’t think he will be for long if he keeps his form up. He’s been one of the best players in the league this season & speaking of current form, if O’Donnell keeps his up then he won’t be in the Motherwell team soon yeah, I agree. March is a while away, lots can happen before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 12 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: It will be good to see if he kicks on after this hopefully it gives him confidence and hunger in his progression 4 months of regular first team football could be huge for him What i like about him is from interviews ive read it appears hes desperate to be involved in the squad and really enjoys it when in and about it which is great to see. A great age, 22 i think, playing under good manager and at a decent level could be a good squad player for us - 9 years younger than O'Donnell so would further bring down the average age which i think is huge I think a massive problem for us was when Berti took over he had a huge amount of turnover and a load of players that were coming to the end of their career if we can have succession plans in place so the older players are being phased out for younger players that will help us in creating some long term stability and consistency over the long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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