Fraser

[Diamond Scot]

Total non story.

Fraser pulled out injured. This would have been done with communication between the Newcastle and SFA physio teams. 

He was pictured doing light training. Would people really rather he came away knowing he was injured, possibly started and had to be subbed after 10 mins? By pulling out he gave Clarke the opportunity of calling up a replacement. Its the opposite of being selfish.

Lets just for a minute entertain that he isnt really injured and was faking it. Whats the last thing you would do in those circumstances? Yip, openly do a training session.

 

[ProudScot]

1 minute ago, Diamond Scot said:

Total non story.

Fraser pulled out injured. This would have been done with communication between the Newcastle and SFA physio teams. 

He was pictured doing light training. Would people really rather he came away knowing he was injured, possibly started and had to be subbed after 10 mins? By pulling out he gave Clarke the opportunity of calling up a replacement. Its the opposite of being selfish.

Lets just for a minute entertain that he isnt really injured and was faking it. Whats the last thing you would do in those circumstances? Yip, openly do a training session.

 

Exactly 😂

The OP and fellow knickerwetters are basing their judgement on tabloid paper headlines rather than basic common sense. 

Comical overreaction. 

[Texas Pete]

5 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said:

Total non story.

Fraser pulled out injured. This would have been done with communication between the Newcastle and SFA physio teams. 

He was pictured doing light training. Would people really rather he came away knowing he was injured, possibly started and had to be subbed after 10 mins? By pulling out he gave Clarke the opportunity of calling up a replacement. Its the opposite of being selfish.

Lets just for a minute entertain that he isnt really injured and was faking it. Whats the last thing you would do in those circumstances? Yip, openly do a training session.

 

While none of us know the full story it is pretty funny the number of people that seem to think players should be lying in bed just because they pull out of a Scotland squad. 

Even players that are genuinely injured and can’t play for their clubs still take part in training (depending on how bad their injury is obviously). 

[scotlad]

11 hours ago, Third Lanark said:

And that's the thing - IF he's at it -none of us know for sure.

He has called off a few times before but he's also turned up many times before, often doing well when he has played.

Considering we're just one win away from reaching the play-offs for the World Cup finals, it's a funny time to start acting it - if he is.  🤔

6 hours ago, Third Lanark said:

Funny that the players being complained about are born and bred 'Scotsmen' yet the most enthusiastic is a so-called 'eligible.' 

Indeed.  Yet some posters on here talk about "eligibles" the same way most people talk about head lice.  🙄

[csinclair]

I’ve always been a big defender of Fraser over the years.

Playing against the Faroes on a plastic pitch after saying he couldn’t against Kazakhstan did irk me though and seemed a very fairweather attitude

[Malcolm]

I think Fraser might find himself out of the next squad.

[DAVIDB46]

I think he might the tone of Clarke suggested he was not 100% convinced by fraser .

we do give a lot of game time to people who get limited club time and Fraser needs to remember that .

Edited November 12, 2021 by DAVIDB46

[vanderark14]

12 hours ago, Malcolm said:

I think Fraser might find himself out of the next squad.

I think you might be right. I don't think Clarke was too pleased.

We've got depth now so fraser won't be a huge miss. He's replacable u like Tierney, Robertson and arguably Gordon

[PapofGlencoe]

Controversial opinion, the Under21s are no big deal and if hickey thinks he'd be better off having a break I don't begrudge it. 

Different story if it's the full squad.

Id scrap the 21s and only have it upto 18s.

Fraser has been a constant call off and the plastic pitch incident means he deserves scrutiny.

 

[vanderark14]

3 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said:

Controversial opinion, the Under21s are no big deal and if hickey thinks he'd be better off having a break I don't begrudge it. 

Different story if it's the full squad.

Id scrap the 21s and only have it upto 18s.

Fraser has been a constant call off and the plastic pitch incident means he deserves scrutiny.

 

And the bridge between 18 and 21s? what happens to this?

[PapofGlencoe]

Just now, vanderark14 said:

And the bridge between 18 and 21s? what happens to this?

I don't think the bridge is required in a day and age where 19 and 20 year olds are now regularly starting first team games for their club.  

 

[aaid]

I wonder what Fraser’s new manager thinks of him given the circumstances of how their previous involvement ended and in particular Fraser’s subsequent comments.

 

[Caledonian Craig]

1 minute ago, aaid said:

I wonder what Fraser’s new manager thinks of him given the circumstances of how their previous involvement ended and in particular Fraser’s subsequent comments.

 

According to a newspaper report I read online a couple of days ago they have patched up their differences which does surprise me.

[aaid]

30 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

According to a newspaper report I read online a couple of days ago they have patched up their differences which does surprise me.

I saw that, but I’m more interested in what he really thinks.  He’s not exactly going to lambast him publicly.

I’m reminded of Ferguson and Strachan, which he covers in his autobiography.

When he was at Aberdeen, they’d lined up a transfer for Strachan to FC Koln. Strachan had agreed, then reneged on it and ended up at Man Utd.  From that point on Ferguson never trusted Strachan.

[Squirrelhumper]

I think hes done.

[Malcolm]

It’s a shame as he linked up well with Mcginn and dykes as an inside forward.  

[daviebee]

13 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

I think hes done.

Seems he didn't even turn up to be assessed by our medical staff either going by that.  Could be wrong of course, but that looks like a diplomatic "he can GTF".

[Caledonian Craig]

13 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

I think hes done.

Perhaps.

I think Ryan Fraser is living in the past to some degree. In a past where we did not have many options in many places and maybe players thought a call-up was guaranteed for them. Things have changed now and the team spirit is strong and we have options in many places across the pitch. Cannae be arsed is not an option any more.

[Bobby Russell's Lovechild]

I think we can safely say that, whilst Clarke is in charge, we won't be seeing Fraser in a Scotland shirt again

[Tartan Chris]

Yep Clarke is bang on. With spirit in the squad currently and pretty much all of them breaking necks to get to the camp after club games (and also Dykes offering to come out to Moldova with them) it's the best it's probably been since mid 2000s so why break that just letting back in players who aren't committed to the cause and want to be involved or not on their terms?

Fraser can be decent on his day and scored a crucial goal in Israel but he's always been one who's pulled out of many squads in previous years.

Not like he's even playing much at Newcastle currently either, would've been more useful a few years back when in form at Bournemouth.

He will have to play well rest of the season and grovel a fair bit on the phone to get any sort of chance for March games. We'll see.

[Big Ramy 1314]

Fuck him. Playing for Scotland is the ultimate achievement,  goal, blessing there is in life for any footballer. Dont want him, and dinnae fuckin need him... Alba Gu Brath...🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

 

[ParisInAKilt]

We might not be in this position without his goal in Israel but he’s a frustrating player to like at times. Not sure what’s going on here but Clarke’s comments suggest it could be more than just a regular injury. 

[weekevie04]

TBH, he's not a big loss. Apart from a couple of good games - Israel and Albania (a). He's an incredibly frustrating footballer. He's got previous too for this under different coaches.

Him, Matt Phillips/Ritchie etc can all GTF, we don't need them, rather we promoted someone like Lewis Ferguson, Ralston, Mikey Johnston etc and think to the future.

[dandydunn]

On 11/10/2021 at 5:41 PM, gaz7 said:

Let's be honest here Fraser is a wee rat. What he done with Bournemouth was one of the biggest pieces of shit I have seen from a footballer. Hes also nothing startling anymore after his 1 season wonder. Yes we dont know ins and outs but if I was guessing I'd say hes wanting to impress new manager Howe who I'd imagine does not have a high opinion of him after Bournemouth shenanigans and in that case get him to f@@k. Imagine not wanting to be involved in games of this magnitude. Unbelievable to me but not the footballing mercenaries. 

What did he do to Bournemouth?

Sign a contract, see out the duration of contract, then leave?

No idea what he was/is on, a quick look reports £40k a week, but do you think if he broke his leg in that extra two month contract period, Bournemouth would’ve said, “don’t worry, we’ll give you that £40k a week even though you’re not contracted to us”

He did what anyone would do in that situation and secure his own future first. 

[runningtings]

I think he is a good player, but at the end of the day he isn't a starter.

From the other night, we have Christie to come back, and now have Brown who also seems to be a decent attacking option. Stevie Clarke will feel he has enough from players who are desperate to play so its shrug and move on for me.

Edited November 13, 2021 by runningtings
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