ProudScot Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Waste of time? Tell that to the players who get called up for the youth squads. Should we only have a full international side? You've written some utter shite on here over the years but that's right up there. ProudScot my arse. Calm down precious 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Pick him for full squad, cap him, stick h8m back in the under 21s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRobRoy Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I gather he's pulled out before and hasn't yet played for the U21s. Just a quickie - he doesn't have any other countries he might be able to represent? An Italian granny or something? If he played in an U21 qualifier he'd be tied to Scotland. If he's stuck with Scotland, as you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, KirkieRobRoy said: I gather he's pulled out before and hasn't yet played for the U21s. Just a quickie - he doesn't have any other countries he might be able to represent? An Italian granny or something? If he played in an U21 qualifier he'd be tied to Scotland. If he's stuck with Scotland, as you were. Unless something has changed recently this is not correct. Scott Arfield, for example, played in U21 qualifiers for Scotland but now represents Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Hickey seems as if he’s got his head screwed on in terms of his own personal development. That’s maybe translated into a bit of selfishness/self-protection, combined with club pressure given additional travel & Covid, etc. I’m not quite sure that equates to Billy big baws attitude but I guess we’ll see how it develops over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Given his level u21 football for Scotland is a bit of a waste of time. It brings nothing in terms of development for him. He just turned 19 at the start of the season and came off a very long term injury and surgery. I'm inclined to give a 19 year old a break. A 2 week break is probably better for him long term than meaningless games under a horrific manager. You don't want to burn him out and his body starting to bring about recurring injuries like Tierney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: Given his level u21 football for Scotland is a bit of a waste of time. It brings nothing in terms of development for him. He just turned 19 at the start of the season and came off a very long term injury and surgery. I'm inclined to give a 19 year old a break. A 2 week break is probably better for him long term than meaningless games under a horrific manager. You don't want to burn him out and his body starting to bring about recurring injuries like Tierney. Bang on. What does under 21 football do for someone starting every week in one of the worlds best leagues. Add in his injury problems & it’s quite obvious why he’s asked to be left out. I’m sure it’s been communicated to Gemmill and the SFA from his camp in the correct manner and there’s zero issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 4 hours ago, AlfieMoon said: Hickey seems as if he’s got his head screwed on in terms of his own personal development. That’s maybe translated into a bit of selfishness/self-protection, combined with club pressure given additional travel & Covid, etc. I’m not quite sure that equates to Billy big baws attitude but I guess we’ll see how it develops over time. Not the exact same but Andy Murray got dogs abuse for his attitude in his early years. Yet turned out it was what he needed to reach the very top. Most fans have no idea what it takes to succeed at the highest level in sport. God, most of our players dont. Its his career, its his body. He knows it wont go down well but has made the call. It will either work out for him or not. If he goes on to progress in Italy and becomes a regular for our 1st team then I doubt many of us will care that he pulled out of a few U21 squads managed by Gemmill years earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Diamond Scot said: Not the exact same but Andy Murray got dogs abuse for his attitude in his early years. Yet turned out it was what he needed to reach the very top. Most fans have no idea what it takes to succeed at the highest level in sport. God, most of our players dont. Its his career, its his body. He knows it wont go down well but has made the call. It will either work out for him or not. If he goes on to progress in Italy and becomes a regular for our 1st team then I doubt many of us will care that he pulled out of a few U21 squads managed by Gemmill years earlier. Wasn't Tierney getting similar dogs abuse at a young age for stuff like this. Now it all goes by the wayside due to his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I am somewhere in the middle on this. Obviously, he's immensely talented to get where he is and being looked at by AC Milan but his career is just starting and he's not proven himself enough at international level whereas Robertson and Tierney have. He'd probably be far close to the full squad if he'd turned up for the last few U-21 squads and impressed. His time will come no doubt though but the position he plays in we have an abundance of riches already in the squad who have done the hard miles and proven themselves at international level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 20 hours ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: Wasn't Tierney getting similar dogs abuse at a young age for stuff like this. Now it all goes by the wayside due to his ability. I agree with this. It feels incredibly similar to the Tierney situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 11 hours ago, csinclair said: I agree with this. It feels incredibly similar to the Tierney situation. Tierney was starting in the europa league but not playing for Scotland. This was apparently to help him with injuries, it's turns out he's still made from balsa wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Not sure what all the hype about being linked with AC Milan is all about, they’re fucking crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/12/2021 at 12:31 PM, dandydunn said: Not sure what all the hype about being linked with AC Milan is all about, they’re fucking crap. Lol ac Milan are 2nd in serie a, equal on points with first. Thats seven places above his current team. They might not be the great team they once were but they are far from crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 If he wasnt "tired" he might well have found himself called up this week given call offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 6:46 PM, AlfieMoon said: Hickey seems as if he’s got his head screwed on in terms of his own personal development. That’s maybe translated into a bit of selfishness/self-protection, combined with club pressure given additional travel & Covid, etc. I’m not quite sure that equates to Billy big baws attitude but I guess we’ll see how it develops over time. Well the COVID bit doesn't wash. Patterson had it whilst o international duty but it has not stopped him bettering himself. The same can be said for Gilmour who missed the final match at the Euros due to COVID but has gone from strength to strength since then for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: If he wasnt "tired" he might well have found himself called up this week given call offs. That's exactly what I was thinking - i dont know the accurate situation only what is reported and the offshoots of peoples emotional responses However does feel quite short sited from Hickey from the outside but having said that may be something tangiable behind it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Can understand it to an extent given the level he's playing at plus added Covid exposures to consider. Thought it was interesting though that one of the reasons Conor Gallagher got a full call up was because he bothered his arse to play for England u21's last week. With their depth though probably have to grab any chance that comes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Can understand it to an extent given the level he's playing at plus added Covid exposures to consider. Thought it was interesting though that one of the reasons Conor Gallagher got a full call up was because he bothered his arse to play for England u21's last week. With their depth though probably have to grab any chance that comes along. Both Patterson and Gilmour have tested positive for us whilst on duty for Scotland. It has not harmed their career in any way and they have gone from strength to strength since their positive tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: Both Patterson and Gilmour have tested positive for us whilst on duty for Scotland. It has not harmed their career in any way and they have gone from strength to strength since their positive tests. I get that mate from a Scotland perspective - He's playing for his club though and if he had to quarantine on catching it/ close contact he'd be quarantining here rather than over in Italy so that's probably weighing on his decision as he'd have to fight to get back in his club side. Personally nowt would keep me out of playing anything at any level for Scotland but can appreciate he has quite a big decision to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Both Patterson and Gilmour have tested positive for us whilst on duty for Scotland. It has not harmed their career in any way and they have gone from strength to strength since their positive tests. It could be argued that neither Patterson or Gilmours careers have gone from strength to strength. Both have cemented their place in the Scotland team but cant get a sniff at club level. Hickey on the other hand has cemented his place at club level to the extent that its reported that the top sides in the league are looking at him. None of this is to do with Covid though. Just an observation that Hickeys choices to date have served him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Anyone told him to fuck off yet? Another rejection of a call up this week 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 12 hours ago, dandydunn said: Anyone told him to fuck off yet? Another rejection of a call up this week 🙄 Hopefully not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, AlfieMoon said: Hopefully not. Yeah, let's maybe wait and see if he gets a senior call up before we grab the pitchforks. Patterson and Gilmour weren't picked for the u21s either. 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguffin Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Tartan blood said: Yeah, let's maybe wait and see if he gets a senior call up before we grab the pitchforks. Patterson and Gilmour weren't picked for the u21s either. 😋 I joked in another thread about Roberto Mancini watching Hickey (okay, the tv cameras showed him at a Bologna game 😉 ). But joking aside, could he be eligible for the Italian team in 3 or 4 years time? (I remember Deco played for Portugal after being a Porto player for a number of years. But I forget how long it was). There is a precedent 😮 I apologise now, should that joke come back to haunt me 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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