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Herd Immunity taken from June 2019 from the Who (not the band) website

 

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Same website in November 2020.

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Verify it yourself - https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

Pandemic used to mean widespread disease resulting in widespread death and illness.

Look that up yourself.

Vaccinated - We think that means who got a jab, its actually now means anyone who had a Covid Jab + X jabs less than two weeks ago(X equates to whatever booster they say you need to get now).  They should be reporting on non-vaccinated, partial vaccinated and fully vaccinated, by lumping categories together they are inflating numbers to made you think 100% of sick people are what you and I would term non-Covid-19 jabbed.

Source - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

Establishing a pattern here

PCR Testing - Unable to distinguish between Covid-19 and any flu and any of the variants.  This was two months ago, anyone withdrew PCR test's as trash?  So if there were useless two months ago, what has they been using for the the almost two years previous two years? PCR Tests, which brings into disrepute ANY charts and data based on them.  

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

Lets ask anyone who has been jabbed, what exactly were you informed of before they stuck you in the arm? Did they explain what emergency authorization mean, did they even tell you they were permitted to be used via emergency authorization?

If what I posted above is true, your left asking what on earth is going on? 

Here are some other material for you

https://theexpose.uk/2021/09/15/39-percent-of-australians-left-unable-to-perform-daily-activities-after-having-the-covid-19-vaccine/

https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2021/09/virologists-report-poor-mans-amino-acid-cure-for-covid-19-would-abolish-need-for-vaccines-2676681.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg

https://youtu.be/WTkWd_3mAXQ

https://t.me/LibertyLexiChannel/17260

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9HxsE5llViby/

'Vaccine deaths are being hidden, suppressed and falsely recorded' - Dr Herman Edeling - BizNews.com

https://nulluslocussinegenio.com/2021/09/13/why-mass-vaccinations-prolong-and-make-epidemics-deadlier-real-vaccine-expert-calls-out-flawed-government-pandemic-strategy/

I don't post this to win a petty argument, I am posting this with good intent in the hopes lives are saved and maybe the nation of Scotland can be a free society once again. 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, romanticscot said:

 

If what I posted above is true, your left asking what on earth is going on? 

 

If what you posted above that is true, it doesn't follow that 'they want you, your grandparents your children removed from the face of the earth'

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On 9/12/2021 at 1:45 PM, phart said:

Sounds like you're doing everything you can. I saw a story somewhere about someone with a similiar problem will try and find it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58475922

So I've kind of found a solution to this. My GP still hasn't replied after three emails and 7 calls. Useless is not the word. However NHS inform in Scotland and their staff have fixed this issue.

Basically they managed to create an account for me on NHS inform, this is despite being told they couldn't because I have an English address. Anyway they used the batch number I had to find my records in Aberdeen, they gave me a username and created the account online.

I now have a covud passport for my first vaccine in England and 2nd passport my 2nd vaccine in scotland.

It's better than nothing

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39 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

So I've kind of found a solution to this. My GP still hasn't replied after three emails and 7 calls. Useless is not the word. However NHS inform in Scotland and their staff have fixed this issue.

Basically they managed to create an account for me on NHS inform, this is despite being told they couldn't because I have an English address. Anyway they used the batch number I had to find my records in Aberdeen, they gave me a username and created the account online.

I now have a covud passport for my first vaccine in England and 2nd passport my 2nd vaccine in scotland.

It's better than nothing

Two passports are always better than one. 😂

It still sounds to me that somebody forgot to give you a username when they jagged you. Mistakes happen. Glad you got it sorted out. 👍

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2 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

So I've kind of found a solution to this. My GP still hasn't replied after three emails and 7 calls. Useless is not the word. However NHS inform in Scotland and their staff have fixed this issue.

Basically they managed to create an account for me on NHS inform, this is despite being told they couldn't because I have an English address. Anyway they used the batch number I had to find my records in Aberdeen, they gave me a username and created the account online.

I now have a covud passport for my first vaccine in England and 2nd passport my 2nd vaccine in scotland.

It's better than nothing

That's good to hear.

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17 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

I imagine the idea of vaccine passports was  begrudgingly accepted  by businesses when they were being considered as the only way to potentially reopen  , but now England have done a Uturn on them they see it as an opportunity to moan as they cannot be bothered with the hassle . It does not help though that the SG are producing half baked plans. 

Agree totally.

 

16 hours ago, Lamia said:

There isn't really much excuse given how events and places have managed to do it themselves without any Government guidance.

If the government cant be arsed to give basic guidance then why should businesses bother implementing it? If passports are tbat important to covid mitigation then surely the government should have robust guidance/protocols?

They were quick enough to give football clubs 101 rules when stadiums reopened, some of which were beyond ludicrous they football clubs met them in order 6o open. 

Now we've vaccine passports, with no guidance on what can be accepted etc (QR codes mentioned) yet its the venues fault for asking for clarification?

The SG need to take responsibility on this if they are insisting on going ahead. 

 

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12 hours ago, romanticscot said:

Lets go one at a time., lets do the showing

Herd Immunity taken from June 2019 from the Who (not the band) website

 

Screen-Shot-2020-12-23-at-4.42.43-PM-800x269.png

Same website in November 2020.

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Verify it yourself - https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

Pandemic used to mean widespread disease resulting in widespread death and illness.

Look that up yourself.

Vaccinated - We think that means who got a jab, its actually now means anyone who had a Covid Jab + X jabs less than two weeks ago(X equates to whatever booster they say you need to get now).  They should be reporting on non-vaccinated, partial vaccinated and fully vaccinated, by lumping categories together they are inflating numbers to made you think 100% of sick people are what you and I would term non-Covid-19 jabbed.

Source - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

Establishing a pattern here

PCR Testing - Unable to distinguish between Covid-19 and any flu and any of the variants.  This was two months ago, anyone withdrew PCR test's as trash?  So if there were useless two months ago, what has they been using for the the almost two years previous two years? PCR Tests, which brings into disrepute ANY charts and data based on them.  

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

Lets ask anyone who has been jabbed, what exactly were you informed of before they stuck you in the arm? Did they explain what emergency authorization mean, did they even tell you they were permitted to be used via emergency authorization?

If what I posted above is true, your left asking what on earth is going on? 

Here are some other material for you

https://theexpose.uk/2021/09/15/39-percent-of-australians-left-unable-to-perform-daily-activities-after-having-the-covid-19-vaccine/

https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2021/09/virologists-report-poor-mans-amino-acid-cure-for-covid-19-would-abolish-need-for-vaccines-2676681.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg

https://youtu.be/WTkWd_3mAXQ

https://t.me/LibertyLexiChannel/17260

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9HxsE5llViby/

'Vaccine deaths are being hidden, suppressed and falsely recorded' - Dr Herman Edeling - BizNews.com

https://nulluslocussinegenio.com/2021/09/13/why-mass-vaccinations-prolong-and-make-epidemics-deadlier-real-vaccine-expert-calls-out-flawed-government-pandemic-strategy/

I don't post this to win a petty argument, I am posting this with good intent in the hopes lives are saved and maybe the nation of Scotland can be a free society once again. 

 

 

 

 

 

This whole thing is incoherent, here is a free course on how to put ideas coherently onto paper: https://www.open.edu/openlearn/education-development/essay-and-report-writing-skills/content-section-0?active-tab=description-tab

The first point is easily explained by general herd immunity and then in the context of the current pandemic.

You keep saying "we think" then don't establish what the consensus is you're saying exists and then create a causal path to how it is relevant and why it is relevant.

On the PCR test that's cause there are other tests that have been developed in the 18 months that are better, here's what the CDC said, the same source as you so you can either believe both or cherry pick what you want to believe.

"the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019 nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel met an important unmet need when it was developed and deployed and has not demonstrated any performance issues.” Reed continued, “the demand for this test has declined with the emergence of other higher-throughput and multiplexed assays.”

“CDC is encouraging public health laboratories to adopt the CDC Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay to enable continued surveillance for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2, which will save both time and resources,”

 

Social media posts, some containing screenshots of a CDC Lab Alert, are claiming that diagnostic tests currently in use in the United States to confirm cases of COVID-19 can’t distinguish between that disease and the flu. One post (here) reads, in part, “The CDC is discontinuing the PCR test it’s been using since Feb 2020 because it can’t differentiate between the flu and COVID-19.”

The CDC is not removing some PCR tests because they failed to differentiate between COVID-19 and Influenza. The agency says it is opting for multiplex assays (that can test for both viruses) to save time and resources.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-pcr-test-idUSL1N2P42U5

 

Looking back these claims are made by folk on facebook, i'm not sitting fact checking nonsense that originated from facebook scholars. I just don't have the time. I'm working, i'm looking after an elderly relative, I'm studying part-time. This isn't science at all.

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2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Oh look, theres the goalposts being moved.

Almost as if they know their original proposal is unworkable in practice.

 

 

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It was never workable. That why they ditched it here.

I received an email before attending an event in London, we had to take evidence we were double jabbed or show a negative LF test. Did all that, got to the door to find nobody was being checked.

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16 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

It was never workable. That why they ditched it here.

I received an email before attending an event in London, we had to take evidence we were double jabbed or show a negative LF test. Did all that, got to the door to find nobody was being checked.

Exactly what happened at Wembley with LF test to get in, nobody gave a fuck. 

The full vaccine passport is nothing to do with making venues safer, as the benefits will be minimal and more to do with trying to push undecided folk into getting the vaccine, which i'm not against, as folk should be getting vaccinated. If they get an extra say 100,000 vaccinated in scotland through this then it'll have done it's job. That's all i have been trying to say on this thread. There is no chance 50,000 folk are getting checked, not a chance and never was. 

At the Scotland Israel game i think the guidance will be to do spot checks as a box ticking exercise but let's face it, if anyone got selected and never had proof and will just go to another turnstile. 

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Once this system is in place and running for vaccines and people have (mostly) accepted it what is to stop them adding something else on top later for it to continue to be valid.

Like boosters obviously, and then more boosters... ok folk will obviously be ok with that as we can see already.

But what about (just for example) having no outstanding warrants for your arrest. I could see a lot of people agreeing with that too... criminals are outlaws after all.

Or not paying your council tax even... or not paying your child support. Yep a lot of folk would have no sympathy with them... tax dodging scum don't deserve access to public spaces.

Once it is up and running for vaccines it will be very easy to gradually use it for other things.

Just that little dark duality to it all again.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, tartandon said:

Wales have just announced that vaccine certification  will be mandatory for entry to nightclubs and large events from 11 October

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-certificates-will-be-mandatory-at-nightclubs-and-large-events-in-wales-from-next-month-12410326

FFS does this mean wales have a mad dictator running things like Scotland? 

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48 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Exactly what happened at Wembley with LF test to get in, nobody gave a fuck. 

The full vaccine passport is nothing to do with making venues safer, as the benefits will be minimal and more to do with trying to push undecided folk into getting the vaccine, which i'm not against, as folk should be getting vaccinated. If they get an extra say 100,000 vaccinated in scotland through this then it'll have done it's job. That's all i have been trying to say on this thread. There is no chance 50,000 folk are getting checked, not a chance and never was. 

At the Scotland Israel game i think the guidance will be to do spot checks as a box ticking exercise but let's face it, if anyone got selected and never had proof and will just go to another turnstile. 

Funny how they were managing at festivals - I suppose it depends if you actually bother to try or not.

It is working in other countries but just another example of how the UK is incapable 

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Just to make sure I’m following  - can I just double check: we’ve failed to convince 16-30 year olds in sufficient numbers to take the vaccine for their health, or societies benefit, so are coercing them into it via passports threatening that unless they get it for the benefit of society they’ll need to be excluded from society and stop in on Saturdays watching mum get pissed and horny over Strictly;  we’re ok punting vaccines into healthy 12-15  year olds where our confidence is restricted to a single dose even though it’s not for their benefit but rather for society in some vague pretence given society is still allowed to readily Trnsmt so long as it carries the relevant paperwork and the kids will still need to self-isolate as  per existing guidelines anyway in schools whilst; society can  just still lick itself in large numbers indoors or out even though they can still share the virus so long as they have a bit of paperwork that might get checked or can go on holiday without probably needing a PCR on return because it’s a pain in the arse and a bit dear especially on top of the Duty Free?

If I was between the ages of 12-30 I'd have half a  mind to tell society to go fuck itself right off and then once it's fucked off it can go fuck off some more unless it's returned a negative PCR test on its return.

I'm honestly beginning to wonder if Chris Morris has written the scripts for 2020-2021 boxset.    

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under 30's make up 159 of the 952 hospitalisations this week.

The JCVI ruled there was a benefit, the single dose is cause the benefit decreases due to the 2nd dose being associated with increased level of mycardioitis, at about 24 cases per million or 100k can't remember which.

I posted in the thread how Denmark have went about vaccination and how the studies have shown why uptake isn't good in some areas.

I don't think vaccine passports are going to be effective and i'm unclear what they're meant to do and how they achieve that anyway as it's not been communicated.

The under 30's have been the primary carriers of Delta the last 2 months and that's now trickled up to older people and that's why deaths are still rising despite cases falling.

 

here's scottish numbers linear from tabby.

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On 9/12/2021 at 6:04 PM, TDYER63 said:

I take all your points and dont think you are being dramatic, I find you explain yourself well.  

My understanding is that vaccine passports will be a short term measure and has been implemented due to the high number of covid cases we still have in this country. And also an encouragement for younger people to get vaccinated.

I am not intending to say ‘fuck them they have a choice’ I am genuinely not sure why people are choosing not to have it as I can see absolutely no evidence to suggest this is significantly dangerous. We trust medical people all the time . 


I  don’t understand your argument about it being young/vulnerable/black and poor people who are likely to be unvaccinated. Surely this vaccine is open to everyone , especially the vulnerable ? I dont work in social care or know enough to understand what prevents poor, black and vulnerable people obtaining vaccinations. I realise some people may not be registered with a GP and that would perhaps prevent vaccinations. But there surely cannot be anyone in the western world that doesn’t know about Covid .  
I dont completely trust any government but I genuinely do not think the SG would be introducing something that discriminates against that section of society on a serious issue like the vaccination programme . Perhaps I am being too naive. 
 

 

I am not getting the vaccine and vaccine passports/certificates will not force me to get one. My decision not to get the vaccine is not based on mistrust from the government (even though I don't trust them thats not my reason). I am allergic to tonnes of stuff also antibiotics. I try not to take any form of medication unless I absolutely have to. I have also had covid fairly recently and fortunately only experienced mild symptoms. I don't want the covid jag the same way I don't feel like the flu jag would benefit me at this point in my life. 

I do regularly take lateral flow tests and if I had symptoms I would remain indoors until I knew whether I had it or not. I am not an anti-vaxxer I believe vaccines absolutely have their place but it is my decision whether I get it or not. I know quite a few people who have been double vaxxed and had severe covid symptoms whilst me and a couple of my family members who have not had it were lucky to have mild symptoms. 

Never (at least that I can remember) have we had to prove our medical status and where does that stop, how much medical information should you be asked to provide about yourself before you can go to a club/gig/theatre. This vaccine appears to have given people the right to make an opinion about you just because of a decision you have made about your own body without knowing the full reasons why. 

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On 9/17/2021 at 2:37 PM, phart said:

under 30's make up 159 of the 952 hospitalisations this week.

 

 

 

Can I ask what this statistic is? Is it under 30s seriously unwell with covid or is it under 30s going into hospital with anything, but testing positive with Covid? It seems like a huge number (if the former) and I don't know what to think i.e. whether it's just one of those statistics we've been throwing around recently to terrify young folk into getting the vaccine or whether we should be expecting deaths in young people to increase significantly and disproportionately.

Deaths look pretty stable for <45s in Scotland at around 1 or 2 a week (not sure how many are <30 I'm guessing 0 or 1 in most weeks). UK looks like <10 a week (but haven't dug very deep). 

Am I missing something?

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I could be missing something and this is only indirectly related. But I am worried about the Government's approach to communicating with people and it's (sometime) one-sided use of statistics. 

For example, I saw something along the lines of >60% of those in hospital with covid who have not been vaccinated are under 30 or 45 (or something to that effect) on the government's facebook. Which will absolutely be true. But it's true because 99% of every >45 year olds are vaccinated, so the statistic is meaningless really.

What the government want you to think (if you are a 30 YO) is shit...I better get vaccinated...there is a serious risk of me ending up in hospital if not. A well-intentioned endeavour. But what actually happens is folk google death rates by age (for example) and see that the majority of deaths are in fact in vaccinated >45 YOs. 

Some of those people conclude (or find reason to reinforce their existing belief) that the government is trying to pull the wool over people's eyes or worse think it's the vaccine that is killing people! Because well... look at all these vaccinated people dying!! And the government aren' telling us that....they are lying to us!!!!!! The facebook comments in response to the government's statistic confirmed as much. 

We need to take counsel from that Danish study and be much more transparent in our official communications, facing into the complexity that exists and risk of mis-construction when you tell people the whole story. We can tell young people that the risk from covid to them is very small and they shouldn't worry about it really. While at the same time being honest that the consequences if that risk comes to pass is ultimate - your life (and a lot of it). Therfore the vaccine is a no-brainer. 

We don't need to be hyping up the risk to pressure or guilt young folk - it's counter-productive and leads to damaging policies like the vaccine passport being popular when it shouldn't. Honestly those 50-75 deaths per week in >45s will barely be impacted by the reduced spread from <30s forced into getting the vaccine. And we already know that hardly any young people are dying. Huge cost, marginal (or no) benefit. 

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Plus you can  promote better and more impact statistics like: "In people who received their second dose at least 21 days before their date of death, 0.8% of all deaths involved COVID-19. Over one-third (37.4%) of all deaths in unvaccinated people involved COVID-19."

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1 hour ago, Morrisandmoo said:

Can I ask what this statistic is? Is it under 30s seriously unwell with covid or is it under 30s going into hospital with anything, but testing positive with Covid? It seems like a huge number (if the former) and I don't know what to think i.e. whether it's just one of those statistics we've been throwing around recently to terrify young folk into getting the vaccine or whether we should be expecting deaths in young people to increase significantly and disproportionately.

Deaths look pretty stable for <45s in Scotland at around 1 or 2 a week (not sure how many are <30 I'm guessing 0 or 1 in most weeks). UK looks like <10 a week (but haven't dug very deep). 

Am I missing something?

Just adding up hospitalisations via the age groups. I did it for last week.

The definition for all admissions is:

"A covid hospital admission is classified as someone who has either tested positive on a PCR test within the 14 days prior to admission, or has tested positive on a PCR test during their stay in hospital. "

I don't think it's any major caue for alarm it's 15% of all hospitalisation and much smaller percentage of deaths, this chart shows the relative risks.

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Here's deaths for Scotland by age groups. It's obviously a lot more complicated cause of transmission and the trend of younger people transmitting it the most due to them having social lives unlike an old fuck like me, then it permeating up into higher age groups and folk dying.

I still haven't read anything convincing regarding the passports , it just seems to be folk who have a side them marshalling the evidence that supports it as opposed to a critical examination of the issue. That Danish study i posted is the sort of thing i'd like to see done on the subject. Also since cases have been so high in the younger folk it doesn't really matter if it's injection or infection regarding immune response. Let's start using the huge stockpile we have giving first jabs to other countries etc anyway, rather than trying to find ways to induce them in hesitant people over here.

 

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