Third Lanark Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Tartan blood said: Oh come on. When did Rangers last "snap up all the best talent in the league"? 12 years ago? Scott Wright is the only talent Rangers have bought lately and (so far) wasted . Even if the argument that Rangers can't afford the best SPFL talent was true, they are still able to develop and play youth. Patterson is one of the best young talents to come out of their academy in a decade and he barely plays and, if rumours are to be believed, might be sold. Gilmour, who spent 4 years at the performance schools and then left 30 seconds after turning 16. Thanks, Rangers. While I'm disapoointed that Rangers haven't produced more talent from their ranks, they are no more obligated than any other side to provide players for the national team. You don't hear the same argument about Chelsea or Man City and England; difference is they are proof of the argument that cream rises to the top. Rangers couldn't compete with what Chelsea were offering Gilmour and as for Patterson - same problem Clarke has with Tierney/Robertson. Better direct your ire against the Livis and RossCo's who keep importing League One and Two Joe Averages instead of giving Scottish youth a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Tartan blood said: Oh come on. When did Rangers last "snap up all the best talent in the league"? 12 years ago? Scott Wright is the only talent Rangers have bought lately and (so far) wasted . Even if the argument that Rangers can't afford the best SPFL talent was true, they are still able to develop and play youth. Patterson is one of the best young talents to come out of their academy in a decade and he barely plays and, if rumours are to be believed, might be sold. Gilmour, who spent 4 years at the performance schools and then left 30 seconds after turning 16. Thanks, Rangers. This is all a bit mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Third Lanark said: While I'm disapoointed that Rangers haven't produced more talent from their ranks, they are no more obligated than any other side to provide players for the national team. You don't hear the same argument about Chelsea or Man City and England; difference is they are proof of the argument that cream rises to the top. Rangers couldn't compete with what Chelsea were offering Gilmour and as for Patterson - same problem Clarke has with Tierney/Robertson. Better direct your ire against the Livis and RossCo's who keep importing League One and Two Joe Averages instead of giving Scottish youth a chance. Bang on. Between McGregor, Patterson & Jack when he’s back Rangers will probably field as many or possibly even more Scottish players than some of the mid table-relegation fodder sides like Aberdeen, Livingston & Ross County this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Bang on. Between McGregor, Patterson & Jack when he’s back Rangers will probably field as many or possibly even more Scottish players than some of the mid table-relegation fodder sides like Aberdeen, Livingston & Ross County this season. Those teams you mentioned usually start 5 or 6 scottish players. Not that it bothers me whether rangers start Scottish players or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkm_vancouver Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 23 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Scottish players in action? He is not Scottish going by his international allegiance here. What next? Do we start discussing Harry Kane here? Now you are getting hysterical...🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) KT missing tonight with a bruised ankle. Edited October 22, 2021 by bigfingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 39 minutes ago, bigfingers said: KT missing tonight with a bruised ankle. Just another foreigner smudging the rules anyway 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Tartan blood said: Oh come on. When did Rangers last "snap up all the best talent in the league"? 12 years ago? Scott Wright is the only talent Rangers have bought lately and (so far) wasted . Even if the argument that Rangers can't afford the best SPFL talent was true, they are still able to develop and play youth. Patterson is one of the best young talents to come out of their academy in a decade and he barely plays and, if rumours are to be believed, might be sold. Gilmour, who spent 4 years at the performance schools and then left 30 seconds after turning 16. Thanks, Rangers. So just to clarify you’re saying Rangers developing a generational talent who signed for one of the best teams in the world is a negative? Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Third Lanark said: While I'm disapoointed that Rangers haven't produced more talent from their ranks, they are no more obligated than any other side to provide players for the national team. You don't hear the same argument about Chelsea or Man City and England; difference is they are proof of the argument that cream rises to the top. Rangers couldn't compete with what Chelsea were offering Gilmour and as for Patterson - same problem Clarke has with Tierney/Robertson. Better direct your ire against the Livis and RossCo's who keep importing League One and Two Joe Averages instead of giving Scottish youth a chance. Rangers have provided a huge amount of players between 17’s to 21’s just now, with probably the best players of all the clubs in Scotland. Id expect a different outlook in 5 years, Gilmour and Patterson are just the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 21 hours ago, theabsentee said: I'm not having a go as i would support all Scottish clubs in europe whether they field Scots or not though i don't agree that they can't afford young Scottish talent. Helander cost Rangers 3.5m, i can't believe Hearts would have turned down anywhere near that for Souttar. Rangers were quoted 5 million for Souttar. I know it’s a tabloid but heard this was accurate at the time. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/rangers-face-john-souttar-competition-14548896.amp So they signed Helander instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, BraveheartGordon said: So just to clarify you’re saying Rangers developing a generational talent who signed for one of the best teams in the world is a negative? Very good. You were right to ask for clarity because that's not what I was saying at all. Not even close. I've made my point already, so I'm not going to write it all out again. Clarity: Gilmour signing for Chelsea = positive. Rangers rarely playing Scots = negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 hours ago, BraveheartGordon said: Rangers were quoted 5 million for Souttar. I know it’s a tabloid but heard this was accurate at the time. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/rangers-face-john-souttar-competition-14548896.amp So they signed Helander instead. They are linked with getting Souttar on a free next summer too which would be a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Billy Gilmour not on the bench today. Is that because he is up against his parent club? I didn't think that was a rule in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Tartan blood said: Billy Gilmour not on the bench today. Is that because he is up against his parent club? I didn't think that was a rule in England. An agreement probably done by both clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, bigfingers said: An agreement probably done by both clubs. It might be a good thing if Norwich get hanmered today. It's more likely Gilmour will go back into their starting 11. (Currently losing 3 nil) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Che Adams on the bench for Southampton today so looks like he will be fit for the next round of qualifiers so no desperation call-ups I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Ryan Fraser starting today. First start in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Marshall on the bench for Derby too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Tartan blood said: It might be a good thing if Norwich get hanmered today. It's more likely Gilmour will go back into their starting 11. (Currently losing 3 nil) Well, you got your wish. So would be astonishing if Billy doesn't start next game. Will not be good for the confidence of Hanley or McLean though. Another alarming thought; several of that Chelsea team were their own academy players, so would Gilmour have started if he had stayed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Che Adams on the bench for Southampton today so looks like he will be fit for the next round of qualifiers so no desperation call-ups I'd say. Thought this tread was fo Scottish players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Thought this tread was fo Scottish players? I am tyred of your remarks. 😂🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Well, you got your wish. So would be astonishing if Billy doesn't start next game. Will not be good for the confidence of Hanley or McLean though. Another alarming thought; several of that Chelsea team were their own academy players, so would Gilmour have started if he had stayed? Yeah, not ideal for Hanley especially. I am a fan of McLean, but it's slightly less critical for him since he is not the future of the Scotland midfield. Great squad player and reliable whenever called upon, but he won't be a starter for the next 10 years, the way Gilmour will be. So it's preferable for McLean to take the confidence hit over Gilmour. I do wonder how much Gilmour would have played for Chelsea. Based on what Tuchel has said, he didn't seem to want him to go on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Calvin Ramsay’s assist today was quality. What a talent he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Tino livramento scored today. Hard to see him getting in the England squad unless he turns into an unbelievable right back. Eligible for Portugal as well, won't be long until they start to declare an interest if he keeps starting games in the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Assist for Anthony Ralston today Ralston must be doing something right,the Croation internationalist brought in to replace him at right back has been relegated to the left hand berth. Funny he never gets a mention on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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