Malcolm Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Porteous sent off for what looks like a perfectly fair tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Porteous sent off for what looks like a perfectly fair tackle. Absolutely nothing wrong it. Terrible decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Amazing ball from Patterson for the equaliser. He's had a good game aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, scotlad said: Absolutely nothing wrong it. Terrible decision. His reputation as a bellend probably not doing him any favours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 54 minutes ago, scotlad said: Absolutely nothing wrong it. Terrible decision. Rubbish. His rashness shows he's not ready for international level. His foot was over the ball; international refs. will punish you for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 There's another angle with that porteous tackle where it shows how dreadful a tackle it was. He goes flying in at a ridiculous speed and Aribo is very lucky he moved his leg. Â Porteous does have a history with these kinds of tackles particularly with Rangers players. He likes to fly in and leave a bit on the player. A couple of years ago his personal moment of the season was a bad tackle on Morelos or Coulibaly can't remember which one it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I have no problem with a firm but fair tackle.  He won the ball cleanly.  If thats a red card we would have been down to 5 a side when i played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: There's another angle with that porteous tackle where it shows how dreadful a tackle it was. He goes flying in at a ridiculous speed and Aribo is very lucky he moved his leg.  Porteous does have a history with these kinds of tackles particularly with Rangers players. He likes to fly in and leave a bit on the player. A couple of years ago his personal moment of the season was a bad tackle on Morelos or Coulibaly can't remember which one it was. Disagree, he went to win the ball and done it fairly. A player has to fly into a tackle or he won't win it. The whole game of football is played at a very fast pace these days and these kind of tackles are bound to happen. If thats a red then they are as well getting rid of slide tackling completely as it's now just a case of going by the refs opinion on whats too dangerous. Its annoying seeing refs decide whats fair and whats reckless based on their opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Only a stats site but who scored gave Patterson man of the match against Hibs with a rating of 7.6. Same site gave Hickey man of the match against Lazio with a rating of 9.0. Apparently he was playing as a left wing back. Not bad for a couple of 19 year olds. Since I started following the site McTominay is the only other Scottish player to record a rating of over 9 in a top European league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Disagree, he went to win the ball and done it fairly. A player has to fly into a tackle or he won't win it. The whole game of football is played at a very fast pace these days and these kind of tackles are bound to happen. If thats a red then they are as well getting rid of slide tackling completely as it's now just a case of going by the refs opinion on whats too dangerous. Its annoying seeing refs decide whats fair and whats reckless based on their opinion.  38 minutes ago, Malcolm said: I have no problem with a firm but fair tackle.  He won the ball cleanly.  If thats a red card we would have been down to 5 a side when i played.  3 hours ago, scotlad said: Absolutely nothing wrong it. Terrible decision.  3 hours ago, Malcolm said: Porteous sent off for what looks like a perfectly fair tackle. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, aaid said:    Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct So basically no slide tackling then or it's basically the refs opinion. That rule is probably broken by the majority of slide tackles as it's just about opinion what excessive force is or what endangers a players safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Slide tackling effectively banned. Football becoming pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Only a stats site but who scored gave Patterson man of the match against Hibs with a rating of 7.6. Same site gave Hickey man of the match against Lazio with a rating of 9.0. Apparently he was playing as a left wing back. Not bad for a couple of 19 year olds. Since I started following the site McTominay is the only other Scottish player to record a rating of over 9 in a top European league. Thing with hickey is he’s scoring goals now. Not many of our full backs do that. Also his right foot is as good as his left so when he cuts in he can hit a decent shot. Don’t think we have any other full back who can do that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Initially when I watched the tackle I didnt even think it was a foul. Still not 100% certain but some replays look like he hasnt actually got the ball with his foot. Looks like he misses the ball with his foot and he actually gets it around his hamstring area. His legs pretty straight so if that is the case then it is a red card. The replays ive seen arent very clear cut though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Thing with hickey is he’s scoring goals now. Not many of our full backs do that. Also his right foot is as good as his left so when he cuts in he can hit a decent shot. Don’t think we have any other full back who can do that either. any chance someone could convert him to a sitting/defensive midfield player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Third Lanark said: Rubbish. His rashness shows he's not ready for international level. His foot was over the ball; international refs. will punish you for that. Pish, he won the ball and didn't even make contact with Aribo. It's a yellow at the very worst  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Thing with hickey is he’s scoring goals now. Not many of our full backs do that. Also his right foot is as good as his left so when he cuts in he can hit a decent shot. Don’t think we have any other full back who can do that either. Not many of our strikers do that either. 😂 Crazy to think he's playing week in, week out in one of the most demanding leagues in Europe but can't even get in the senior squad (although I can understand why the manager doesn't want to mix things up too much at this stage). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Some interesting views on what constitutes a tackle. Porteous deserved his straight red. A ridiculous lunge from a player who can’t be trusted in big games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, scotlad said: Not many of our strikers do that either. 😂 Crazy to think he's playing week in, week out in one of the most demanding leagues in Europe but can't even get in the senior squad (although I can understand why the manager doesn't want to mix things up too much at this stage). I think if he keeps this up clarke will have to pick him for the main squad. Theres no way we can refuse to pick a 19 year old playing in serie a every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Malcolm said: I have no problem with a firm but fair tackle.  He won the ball cleanly.  If thats a red card we would have been down to 5 a side when i played. It was definitely a red card. Not even debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: It was definitely a red card. Not even debatable. as you can see by the varied opinions above it clearly is debatable.  he cleanly won the ball.  If rules have now changed and you can’t do that if you get the ball first then the man then fine.  When I played if you played the ball first you were fine.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, er yir macaroon said: Some interesting views on what constitutes a tackle. Porteous deserved his straight red. A ridiculous lunge from a player who can’t be trusted in big games. So you would get rid of slide tackling? I would say at least a quarter of slide tackles could be deemed reckless and dangerous. A slide tackle by its very nature is nearly always going to have a dangerous aspect to it. It's a player lunging in to win the ball after running at pace most of the time making it uncontrollably hard for a player to make it completely safe. It seems that it's mostly the rangers fans on here that are claiming its a red. If it was a rangers player that had made that tackle and gotten a red they would be arguing the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Malcolm said: as you can see by the varied opinions above it clearly is debatable.  he cleanly won the ball.  If rules have now changed and you can’t do that if you get the ball first then the man then fine.  When I played if you played the ball first you were fine.   You shouldn’t be debating it though especially if you have seen it from all angles and understand the current rules of football. He didn’t cleanly win the ball at all. He did also make contact with Aribo and if he had connected properly he likely breaks his leg and potentially ends his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: You shouldn’t be debating it though especially if you have seen it from all angles and understand the current rules of football. He didn’t cleanly win the ball at all. He did also make contact with Aribo and if he had connected properly he likely breaks his leg and potentially ends his career. Problem is there are dodgy slide tackles that could be considered dangerous in most games, letting the refs decide when it suits them is not a fair way. Seen many a dangerous tackle go unpunished in Scotland, it has to be consistent across the board or just ban slide tackling altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: Amazing ball from Patterson for the equaliser. He's had a good game aswell. It’s good he got 90 minutes ahead of the international break. Played pretty well and got a decent assist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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