thesaint Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Goal for Christie tonight at last! At last.I take it your not keen on Christie.As i said after your message on the ryan fraser topic,he's playing great down at Bournemouth.Plenty of goal assists,and a big favourite with the fans.Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) Hat trick for Ross stewart. Hopefully be playing in a higher league soon. Edited December 30, 2021 by bigfingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Ross stewart with a hatrick so far. If he was to continue this form in the championship next season that would be promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguffin Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Goal for Christie tonight at last! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, mcguffin said: 👍 It's there,it's there.Oh yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Ross stewart with a hatrick so far. If he was to continue this form in the championship next season that would be promising. I hope im Wrong but you can see Sunderland upgrading when they get promoted. Be nice if he can carry on getting a game and scoring next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, ProudScot said: I hope im Wrong but you can see Sunderland upgrading when they get promoted. Be nice if he can carry on getting a game and scoring next season If he scores 30 or more this season then I don't think they will. He deserves a fair crack at the championship next season going by this seasons form. Good bit of business from Sunderland as he might make them some decent money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 McTominay MOM and not surprising, he’s been so good tonight as a box to box CM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 32 minutes ago, ProudScot said: McTominay MOM and not surprising, he’s been so good tonight as a box to box CM I know McGregor has done well for us recently, but Mctominay offers a greater goal threat and is playing at a higher level. If we play three in there I would be looking at Mctominay and Mcginn with one from either mcgregor and Gilmour. Alternatively play one up and play all four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Malcolm said: I know McGregor has done well for us recently, but Mctominay offers a greater goal threat and is playing at a higher level. If we play three in there I would be looking at Mctominay and Mcginn with one from either mcgregor and Gilmour. Alternatively play one up and play all four. McGregor has been superb for us recently and his partnership with Billy Gilmour seems to bring something greater than the sum of the parts. McTominay has a bit of convincing to do in a Scotland jersey and I wouldn't be dropping CalMac for him just yet. Last time McTominay played in midfield for us I was convinced he was colour blind. I'd love to see the player in dark blue that turns it on for Man U but we're still waiting. Not his fault he's been played so out of position of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Malcolm said: I know McGregor has done well for us recently, but Mctominay offers a greater goal threat and is playing at a higher level. If we play three in there I would be looking at Mctominay and Mcginn with one from either mcgregor and Gilmour. Alternatively play one up and play all four. I’d play a central midfield 3 of McGregor, Gilmour, McTominay with McGinn off Adams or Dykes (or maybe Ross Stewart in the future), when playing 3/5 at the back. In certain situations, I’d switch to a back 4, go 4/4/1/1, for example, playing at Hampden against a Moldova or Faroe Islands. This would allow those 3 to play in midfield and allow us to dominate possession and have a threat from the middle of the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguffin Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, daviebee said: McGregor has been superb for us recently and his partnership with Billy Gilmour seems to bring something greater than the sum of the parts. McTominay has a bit of convincing to do in a Scotland jersey and I wouldn't be dropping CalMac for him just yet. Last time McTominay played in midfield for us I was convinced he was colour blind. I'd love to see the player in dark blue that turns it on for Man U but we're still waiting. Not his fault he's been played so out of position of course. I'm a big fan of the McGregor - Gilmour midfield partnership. It just works. But McTominay is probably too big a talent to leave out (especially if he maintains his current form). I know it's not ideal, but maybe Steve Clarke's idea a few games back to put McTominay in as a ball-carrying central defender might might actually be not a bad compromise in the circumstances? He'd provide an additional 'comfortable on the ball' passing option to Gilmour and McGregor, and he could alternate with Kieran Tierney to sometimes get up the pitch and cause some problems and maybe get into shooting range? Okay, I know he's not a specialist defender, but even for Manchester United tonight, McTominay was sometimes dropping back into the the defensive line to provide an extra body. It's not that different to what he already does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, mcguffin said: I'm a big fan of the McGregor - Gilmour midfield partnership. It just works. But McTominay is probably too big a talent to leave out (especially if he maintains his current form). I know it's not ideal, but maybe Steve Clarke's idea a few games back to put McTominay in as a ball-carrying central defender might might actually be not a bad compromise in the circumstances? He'd provide an additional 'comfortable on the ball' passing option to Gilmour and McGregor, and he could alternate with Kieran Tierney to sometimes get up the pitch and cause some problems and maybe get into shooting range? Okay, I know he's not a specialist defender, but even for Manchester United tonight, McTominay was sometimes dropping back into the the defensive line to provide an extra body. It's not that different to what he already does? Personally I’d leave Souttar or Hendry at right centre half. If playing a back 3/5 the choice, in my opinion is dropping either Christie/Armstrong for McTominay. You’re going to drop an attacking midfielder for a box-box central midfielder. And I personally think playing McTominay ahead of Christie/Armstrong would make the team stronger. And that’s no slight on Christie, who I think has been playing well lately for Scotland and Bournemouth. But I think the inclusion of McTominay alongside Gilmour and McGregor gives us a goal threat from midfield, will make us more solid in the middle of the park and will hopefully allow us to be more competitive/dominant in midfield and allow us to retain possession better. Switch to a back 4 and we can play 3 or 4 central midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Mctominays form has improved since rangick has arrived. Would like to see us play a four man diamond midfield with mcginn the advanced midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguffin Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 7 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: Mctominays form has improved since rangick has arrived. Would like to see us play a four man diamond midfield with mcginn the advanced midfielder. I like your suggestion, and Scot1's points too. If all our midfielders maintain their form, will be interesting to see what Steve Clarke opts for. (Not a bad conundrum to have). And yes, McTom seems to be thriving under Rangnick so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOUBLE A Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Liam Cooper out until March with hamstring injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 14 hours ago, Malcolm said: Almost scored again - hit the post. Too good to be played in defence or left on the bench. Correct... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, DOUBLE A said: Liam Cooper out until March with hamstring injury. That’s a real shame, feel sorry for him. He stepped up whenever asked and put in good performances for us, especially in the last couple of games. Hope he makes a full and quick recovery and gets back playing sooner rather than expected and back in contention for the squad for Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 12 hours ago, mcguffin said: I'm a big fan of the McGregor - Gilmour midfield partnership. It just works. But McTominay is probably too big a talent to leave out (especially if he maintains his current form). I know it's not ideal, but maybe Steve Clarke's idea a few games back to put McTominay in as a ball-carrying central defender might might actually be not a bad compromise in the circumstances? He'd provide an additional 'comfortable on the ball' passing option to Gilmour and McGregor, and he could alternate with Kieran Tierney to sometimes get up the pitch and cause some problems and maybe get into shooting range? Okay, I know he's not a specialist defender, but even for Manchester United tonight, McTominay was sometimes dropping back into the the defensive line to provide an extra body. It's not that different to what he already does? That's the thing a lot of us forget. Our best 11 vs Denmark, for example, is not necessarily the best 11 vs Moldova. I wouldn't play McTominay in defence against elite level opposition and may even opt to put him on the bench. But against teams where we'll have lots of possession, why not put him in the back 3. It's not like we have to lay out a perfect 11 and stick with it. Saying that, on paper, McTominay should be undroppable in the midfield. I actually thought this summer would be the passing of the baton between McGregor and Gilmour. But it turns out they can play together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, Tartan blood said: That's the thing a lot of us forget. Our best 11 vs Denmark, for example, is not necessarily the best 11 vs Moldova. I wouldn't play McTominay in defence against elite level opposition and may even opt to put him on the bench. But against teams where we'll have lots of possession, why not put him in the back 3. It's not like we have to lay out a perfect 11 and stick with it. Saying that, on paper, McTominay should be undroppable in the midfield. I actually thought this summer would be the passing of the baton between McGregor and Gilmour. But it turns out they can play together. Not sure why you would have thought that...one is right-footed, the other left so good balance; plus 'CalMac' (as he seems to have been christened now) is more attacking by instinct. I see them as our Xavi and Inisesta. And do you remember Gerards Houlier once compared Dorrans and Bannan to that illustrious pair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 13 hours ago, mcguffin said: Okay, I know he's not a specialist defender, but even for Manchester United tonight, McTominay was sometimes dropping back into the the defensive line to provide an extra body. It's not that different to what he already does? He was certainly man marking Wood at any set pieces, allowing the centre halves not to be taken out of their central positions. Seemed to remain back until his team regained safe possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Personally I like centre half’s playing at centre half. Maybe against diddy teams I would play Mctominay at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Not sure why you would have thought that...one is right-footed, the other left so good balance; plus 'CalMac' (as he seems to have been christened now) is more attacking by instinct. I see them as our Xavi and Inisesta. And do you remember Gerards Houlier once compared Dorrans and Bannan to that illustrious pair? I really don't buy into this left/right footed fallacy. Especially in midfield. Defence, fair enough, because you want to tackle with your strongest foot. But they are professional football players, they can handle being slightly to the left or right of a midfield. They are both holding midfielders and have similar attributes. I'd normally go with an anchorman and 1 holding midfielder, so you'd have to choose one or the other, but it seems we can manage without an anchorman and can play both. Which I am more than happy doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scot1 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Against teams that we expect to dominate possession, why bother playing McTominay as a centre half, why not just switch to a back 4 and play him in midfield? The other reason I’d go with a midfield 3 of Gilmour, MacGregor, McTominay against better teams is to try and retain possession as much as possible and make the opposition work. The physical effort the team put into the Denmark game was immense. Which is fine in a “ one off” game like the Denmark game. But when it comes to playing “blocks” of games, for example, the 4 nations league games in June, which are 1 after another, it’ll put a helluva physical strain on the players / squad. We want to develop a style that makes the opposition have to work harder than us, that’s means we want to be spending more time sitting in their halve making them work to get the ball. We don’t want to be playing 90 minutes of end to end football like the Denmark game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Scot1 said: Against teams that we expect to dominate possession, why bother playing McTominay as a centre half, why not just switch to a back 4 and play him in midfield? I agree with this in principle, but the counter argument is that we want every player to know the system inside out. A consistent formation, even against minnows could be quite valuable. Those are the types of games that a Turnbull or a Hickey might play in, so it's worth keeping to the system for that alone. As you say, we'll need far more than 11 players over 4 games, so they all need to know their "usual" role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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