mccaughey85 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Through already, they seem to be getting results with what I would consider a similar standard of squad. They had Cardiff and Luton players playing tonight and like us they usually have a few English championship players in their starting line ups. Imo Tierney, Robertson, mctominay, mcginn and adams would be certain starters for them with guys like Armstrong, fraser, mcgregor, gilmour, Cooper getting regular gametime as well. On paper I would say both teams are pretty equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 There's a Wales thread under Euro 2020... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 We have similar levels of players, I think the difference is they have 2/3 of their best players in attacking positions. Swap one of Robertson, Tierney, McTominay, McGinn for a Striker or inside forward of a similar level and we'd get a lot better results. We've improved in these areas but we are still not able to create well or take the chances when we do. I'd also say their central defence and goalkeeper are a bit better than ours. We have the core of a decent team, the majority of our squad will be under 30/31 if we make the next EURO's. We just need to find our team philosophy are we an attacking, defensive, passing or a blood n guts type of team. We seem to be a mix of everything and don't really have an identity as a footballing nation. There was all this talk when the performance schools started of 4-2-3-1 all the way through the youth set-ups and all playing the same style. That seems to have gone completely out of the windae and we just play anything at youth level, while booting it long to a big striker. This needs sorted out pronto and the SFA needs a massive clear out and a rejig at all levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: We have similar levels of players, I think the difference is they have 2/3 of their best players in attacking positions. Swap one of Robertson, Tierney, McTominay, McGinn for a Striker or inside forward of a similar level and we'd get a lot better results. We've improved in these areas but we are still not able to create well or take the chances when we do. I'd also say their central defence and goalkeeper are a bit better than ours. We have the core of a decent team, the majority of our squad will be under 30/31 if we make the next EURO's. We just need to find our team philosophy are we an attacking, defensive, passing or a blood n guts type of team. We seem to be a mix of everything and don't really have an identity as a footballing nation. There was all this talk when the performance schools started of 4-2-3-1 all the way through the youth set-ups and all playing the same style. That seems to have gone completely out of the windae and we just play anything at youth level, while booting it long to a big striker. This needs sorted out pronto and the SFA needs a massive clear out and a rejig at all levels. Yes they have Bale and Ramsay - two attacking players who create stacks of chances and score stacks of goals. We just do not have that. Between them those two have 50+ international goals to their name - speaks volumes. We lost on Monday due to not taking chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes they have Bale and Ramsay - two attacking players who create stacks of chances and score stacks of goals. We just do not have that. Between them those two have 50+ international goals to their name - speaks volumes. We lost on Monday due to not taking chances. Did you see the two sitters Ramsey missed and Bales penalty. We can't even create chances like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 What I like about them is they're far far better at giving youth a chance. They could've just kept faith with likes of Chris Gunter and Williams up to these euros but after 2017 decided to give likes of Rodon, Mepham and Connor Roberts a serious go, think all were 20 or under at the time. Ampadu at Chelsea has played less for them than Gilmour I think, Wales capped him at 17. Same for Williams at Liverpool. That's the difference, they get the talented young players in early to learn, play in qualifiers and make mistakes but 2-3 years down the line they start to mature and really feel part of the set up. Complete opposite here waiting for Gilmour and Turnbull to start proper games despite both being around for 18 months or longer now in senior game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: What I like about them is they're far far better at giving youth a chance. They could've just kept faith with likes of Chris Gunter and Williams up to these euros but after 2017 decided to give likes of Rodon, Mepham and Connor Roberts a serious go, think all were 20 or under at the time. Ampadu at Chelsea has played less for them than Gilmour I think, Wales capped him at 17. Same for Williams at Liverpool. That's the difference, they get the talented young players in early to learn, play in qualifiers and make mistakes but 2-3 years down the line they start to mature and really feel part of the set up. Complete opposite here waiting for Gilmour and Turnbull to start proper games despite both being around for 18 months or longer now in senior game. Yes I have made this point before also. It has been going on for years too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: There was all this talk when the performance schools started of 4-2-3-1 all the way through the youth set-ups and all playing the same style. That seems to have gone completely out of the windae and we just play anything at youth level, while booting it long to a big striker. This needs sorted out pronto and the SFA needs a massive clear out and a rejig at all levels. How long have we been saying that? Maybe we'll get another think tank or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: That's the difference, they get the talented young players in early to learn, play in qualifiers and make mistakes but 2-3 years down the line they start to mature and really feel part of the set up. Complete opposite here waiting for Gilmour and Turnbull to start proper games despite both being around for 18 months or longer now in senior game. 4 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes I have made this point before also. It has been going on for years too. The Berti Vogts scattergun approach to capping young players probably had an effect on our managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Dave78 said: The Berti Vogts scattergun approach to capping young players probably had an effect on our managers. Or if not our subsequent managers, then definitely the media reaction to repeating that approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Watched the Switzerland game, rode their luck at times so was a great point for them. That Bale pass and Ramsay goal for their first was very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: We have similar levels of players, I think the difference is they have 2/3 of their best players in attacking positions. Swap one of Robertson, Tierney, McTominay, McGinn for a Striker or inside forward of a similar level and we'd get a lot better results. We've improved in these areas but we are still not able to create well or take the chances when we do. I'd also say their central defence and goalkeeper are a bit better than ours. We have the core of a decent team, the majority of our squad will be under 30/31 if we make the next EURO's. We just need to find our team philosophy are we an attacking, defensive, passing or a blood n guts type of team. We seem to be a mix of everything and don't really have an identity as a footballing nation. There was all this talk when the performance schools started of 4-2-3-1 all the way through the youth set-ups and all playing the same style. That seems to have gone completely out of the windae and we just play anything at youth level, while booting it long to a big striker. This needs sorted out pronto and the SFA needs a massive clear out and a rejig at all levels. This. Their best players are up front, ours are defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Wales do have a lot of English Championship players in their squad but their frontline featured a player each from Juventus, Real Madrid and Manchester United. Their centre forward plays in the English Championship but he managed more than 20 goals this season. By comparison, Dykes scored 12 in the same division. Aside from that, their organisation and game management was excellent today. Well done to them; if they make to the next round they'll have earned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Final third they are top drawer, arguably world class. We are no where near their level. Bale single handedly got them to euro 2016 and was pretty much responsible for their semi final run aided by Ramsey. 2 assists tonight for Bale, it’s night and day from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 if we had the equivalent of joe Jordan and Kenny dalglish in our team I think we would be doing as well as Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 The difference between Wales and Scotland is a 17 year old Messi would get a game for Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkm_vancouver Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Wales are basically set up to make the most of their skills and they do it well, in fact go as far to say they are not afraid to do it either. All this after a longer period in the wilderness than us. Thay then get rewarded with success beyond their standings for their brave decisions.I couldn't even tell you the name of their manager. They can even win after missing a penalty and being provoked by a dirty Turkish team. We on the other hand seem shit scared to make a brave or daring decision on team selection and continue to suffer with embarrassing displays against teams of a similar standing or even worse, lower standings at World Cups. Well played Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkm_vancouver Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said: The difference between Wales and Scotland is a 17 year old Messi would get a game for Wales. 👌🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said: The difference between Wales and Scotland is a 17 year old Messi would get a game for Wales. That’s it in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, ProudScot said: That’s it in a nutshell Yup. Both Gilmour and Patterson would have several caps for Wales by now. Probably Turnbull too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Bale and Ramsay compliment each other perfectly and are two players who have been way more successful at international level than any of our players currently or in history. We just do not have players of that ilk available to us. I'd say potentially the closest we have of a creative player is Billy Gilmour but his growth is being prevented by the feeling that less creative midfielders are of more worth to the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said: Yup. Both Gilmour and Patterson would have several caps for Wales by now. Probably Turnbull too. There’s no chance in hell Wales would be picking a Stephen O’Donnell type player over Nathan Patterson. Billy Gilmour would have also been starting for them for about 18 months. Oh no we know best though. As they qualify for the knockout stages of another tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, ProudScot said: There’s no chance in hell Wales would be picking a Stephen O’Donnell type player over Nathan Patterson. Billy Gilmour would have also been starting for them for about 18 months. Oh no we know best though. As they qualify for the knockout stages of another tournament. I agree. The way I see tomorrow night is that same old same old ain't getting us a result. I'd much rather see Clarke throw in Patterson, Gilmour and give Turnbull a go at some point. There is still a good chance we will lose but we will learn a heck of a lot about the youngsters playing in a pressure match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie S Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Case study: Ethan Ampadu has 12 first team appearances at Chelsea (5 from the bench), including only 1 in the EPL and 25 caps for Wales. Billy Gilmour has 22 appearances for Chelsea (8 from the bench), including 11 in the league and 2 caps for Scotland. Ampadu is 9 months older than Gilmour and made his debut for the national team in 2017 after being called up aged 16, before he made his Chelsea first team debut Ask Chelsea fans which one is the better player. I’ll warrant none of them say Ampadu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, gkm_vancouver said: Wales are basically set up to make the most of their skills and they do it well, in fact go as far to say they are not afraid to do it either. All this after a longer period in the wilderness than us. Thay then get rewarded with success beyond their standings for their brave decisions.I couldn't even tell you the name of their manager. They can even win after missing a penalty and being provoked by a dirty Turkish team. We on the other hand seem shit scared to make a brave or daring decision on team selection and continue to suffer with embarrassing displays against teams of a similar standing or even worse, lower standings at World Cups. Well played Wales. Thats a bit unfair on the Turkish team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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