Season 21/22

[vanderark14]

1 hour ago, Diamond Scot said:

I completely agree about the mismanagement however if you put yourself in the shoes of an Old Firm director, what are you suggesthing they do. Almost every suggestion would lose them money and potentially weaken their position in terms of success. Yes, that may result in the league being more competitive, more exciting etc but where is that beneficial to the club?

Big clubs in England in early 90s have fallen away in England because of the competitiveness. Your effectively asking Turkeys to vote for Xmas.

The decision should have been taken out of the Old Firms hands but will now never happen again.

 

You are using extreme examples of clubs who have fallen down the leagues in England. I very much doubt that could happen to the old firm. 

If the old firm want a genuinely competitive league (they dont) they will have to make some concessions and the league will have to start thinking as one. None of that will ever happen now.

[Diamond Scot]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

You are using extreme examples of clubs who have fallen down the leagues in England. I very much doubt that could happen to the old firm. 

If the old firm want a genuinely competitive league (they dont) they will have to make some concessions and the league will have to start thinking as one. None of that will ever happen now.

Thats my point though. Why would the Old Firm want a more competitive league? If you were their Director how would you sell that to the club / shareholders / fans?

People blame the Old Firm for not doing whats in the best interests of Scottish Football. Thats not their job. Their job is to do whats best for their club. Its the SFA / SPFLs job to do whats best for Scottish football.

Aberdeen had the chance to remove the Old Firm power. They declined and now things will never change. Aberdeen are to blame for that, not the Old Firm.

[Fairbairn]

Just saw Butcher's "tackle" on Turnbull.  How he had the brassneck to complain about receiving a yellow I've no idea!

[vanderark14]

3 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Thats my point though. Why would the Old Firm want a more competitive league? If you were their Director how would you sell that to the club / shareholders / fans?

People blame the Old Firm for not doing whats in the best interests of Scottish Football. Thats not their job. Their job is to do whats best for their club. Its the SFA / SPFLs job to do whats best for Scottish football.

Aberdeen had the chance to remove the Old Firm power. They declined and now things will never change. Aberdeen are to blame for that, not the Old Firm.

I disagree, the job of every club in Scotland is to do what's right for the game I'm Scotland because they can all benefit from it. Unfortunately the attitude of looking after number one prevails.the SPFL is the clubs, its not a separate body. 

That's shite as I pointed out earlier. Blaming aberdeen is ignorant, you'll notice I am not blaming the OF. All clubs have a responsibility here. It's not like that vote has set things in Stone forever.

If Aberdeen had voted with the other ten clubs, I believe the should've by the way but I illustrated exactly what would've happened had the vote went through and big changes were brought to the table.

[scotlad]

8 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

VAR will make zero difference in Scotland. It will be the same incompetent fools seeing what they want to see  

That's true, but it will make it harder for them to hide their incompetence.

Possibly.

6 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

I completely agree about the mismanagement however if you put yourself in the shoes of an Old Firm director, what are you suggesthing they do. Almost every suggestion would lose them money and potentially weaken their position in terms of success. Yes, that may result in the league being more competitive, more exciting etc but where is that beneficial to the club?

Big clubs in England in early 90s have fallen away in England because of the competitiveness. Your effectively asking Turkeys to vote for Xmas.

The decision should have been taken out of the Old Firms hands but will now never happen again.

 

Celtic's fanbase is very left-wing and socialist though, I'm sure they'd be in favour of redistributing some of their wealth to benefit Scottish football as a whole.  No?

[scotlad]

1 hour ago, Fairbairn said:

Just saw Butcher's "tackle" on Turnbull.  How he had the brassneck to complain about receiving a yellow I've no idea!

It was fucking horrendous.  Hopefully some retrospective action is or has been taken.

[vanderark14]

30 minutes ago, scotlad said:

That's true, but it will make it harder for them to hide their incompetence.

Possibly.

Celtic's fanbase is very left-wing and socialist though, I'm sure they'd be in favour of redistributing some of their wealth to benefit Scottish football as a whole.  No?

They don't hide their incompetence as it is. If there was a governing body willing to hold refs accountable, I'd be confident VAR could help but I'm not.🤣

[Diamond Scot]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

I disagree, the job of every club in Scotland is to do what's right for the game I'm Scotland because they can all benefit from it. Unfortunately the attitude of looking after number one prevails.the SPFL is the clubs, its not a separate body. 

That's shite as I pointed out earlier. Blaming aberdeen is ignorant, you'll notice I am not blaming the OF. All clubs have a responsibility here. It's not like that vote has set things in Stone forever.

If Aberdeen had voted with the other ten clubs, I believe the should've by the way but I illustrated exactly what would've happened had the vote went through and big changes were brought to the table.

Football is a business aswell as a sport. There is zero chance in the real world of clubs voting against their own interests. 

Thats why major decisons need to be maxe by the majority so that there is more of a chance that decisions are made for the many and not the few.

You say its not set in stone forever but it more or less is. The Old Firm will always vote together because they are so similar in size and wealth. Their interests align. That will never change so therefore a vote to change something needs their say so. 

[vanderark14]

I see levein has spoken about a rangers fan refereeing rangers games.its hardly an astonishing revelation though 

 

[vanderark14]

7 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said:

Football is a business aswell as a sport. There is zero chance in the real world of clubs voting against their own interests. 

Thats why major decisons need to be maxe by the majority so that there is more of a chance that decisions are made for the many and not the few.

You say its not set in stone forever but it more or less is. The Old Firm will always vote together because they are so similar in size and wealth. Their interests align. That will never change so therefore a vote to change something needs their say so. 

I am not saying scottish clubs would vote for anything but their own interests. I totally agree, every club not just the old firm is only interested in themselves.

Things could change if the ten below had a set of balls. Threaten to breakaway but that won't happen. Too many need the old firm pound

[dj mick]

28 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I see levein has spoken about a rangers fan refereeing rangers games.its hardly an astonishing revelation though 

 

I remember when I worked in coatbridge, we had a Celtic v Rangers game between the workers, The only ref we could get was a local priest,, He gave us (Celtic), fuck all,, but awarded the huns a very dubious offside goal..

[vanderark14]

22 minutes ago, dj mick said:

I remember when I worked in coatbridge, we had a Celtic v Rangers game between the workers, The only ref we could get was a local priest,, He gave us (Celtic), fuck all,, but awarded the huns a very dubious offside goal..

Nice story 👍🏻

[Fairbairn]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

I see levein has spoken about a rangers fan refereeing rangers games.its hardly an astonishing revelation though 

 

Not sure if you’ve read the transcript but he says absolutely nothing to back it up other than “it’s what I think happened”. It’s the equivalent of Ramy coming on here and saying it! 

[Diamond Scot]

48 minutes ago, dj mick said:

I remember when I worked in coatbridge, we had a Celtic v Rangers game between the workers, The only ref we could get was a local priest,, He gave us (Celtic), fuck all,, but awarded the huns a very dubious offside goal..

Why would a priest give Rangers a dubious offside goal? Priests are catholic. 

Surely that just shows that refs make mistakes and there is no pre determined bias.

[dandydunn]

16 minutes ago, Fairbairn said:

Not sure if you’ve read the transcript but he says absolutely nothing to back it up other than “it’s what I think happened”. It’s the equivalent of Ramy coming on here and saying it! 

Nah, if Ramy said it, it 100% didn’t happen 😆

[slasher]

1 hour ago, Fairbairn said:

Not sure if you’ve read the transcript but he says absolutely nothing to back it up other than “it’s what I think happened”. It’s the equivalent of Ramy coming on here and saying it! 

Some of it is a matter of public record. I'm sure the ref admitted to Graham Speirs in an interview some time later he'd asked for the game because he was a fan. 

The ref was Mike McCurry and I remember his display that day as being one of the most blatant displays of cheating by an official I've ever seen. 

Anyway you don't have to take anyone's word for it. Go back and watch the footage and pay attention to Leveins post match interview. You might not like the man, I don't, but comparing his comments to some of Ramy's is a piece of nonsense. 

[Debian]

17 minutes ago, slasher said:

Some of it is a matter of public record. I'm sure the ref admitted to Graham Speirs in an interview some time later he'd asked for the game because he was a fan. 

 

The ref was Mike McCurry and I remember his display that day as being one of the most blatant displays of cheating by an official I've ever seen. 

 

Anyway you don't have to take anyone's word for it. Go back and watch the footage and pay attention to Leveins post match interview. You might not like the man, I don't, but comparing his comments to some of Ramy's is a piece of nonsense. 

 

 

The game in question isn't actually the one remembered.  It's the game prior. 

Utd had 2 offside goals and we got a pen.  Noel Hunt had a pen (albeit correctly dismissed) turned down.  The mccurray game was a drab affair.

 

Love Leveins podcasts but this wan Is muddled up.   

Edited December 7, 2021 by Debian

[Fairbairn]

30 minutes ago, slasher said:

Some of it is a matter of public record. I'm sure the ref admitted to Graham Speirs in an interview some time later he'd asked for the game because he was a fan. 

The ref was Mike McCurry and I remember his display that day as being one of the most blatant displays of cheating by an official I've ever seen. 

Anyway you don't have to take anyone's word for it. Go back and watch the footage and pay attention to Leveins post match interview. You might not like the man, I don't, but comparing his comments to some of Ramy's is a piece of nonsense. 

If it’s the game I’m thinking if I remember it as I remember Levein doing his dinger in an interview after it. I was at the game though have to admit with the passing of time I don’t really remember the specific incidents. However McCurry was still refereeing the season after which surely calls in to question the veracity of Levein’s version of events around McCurry being “given” the game and the reasons for it (assuming that is the game he’s referring to). 

[vanderark14]

Twice this season rangers have been referred by a rangers fan. I don't think anyone disputes that do they?

[dj mick]

11 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Why would a priest give Rangers a dubious offside goal? Priests are catholic. 

Surely that just shows that refs make mistakes and there is no pre determined bias.

The point being he probably felt under pressure not to show his bias and over-compensated 

[Fairbairn]

8 minutes ago, dj mick said:

The point being he probably felt under pressure not to show his bias and over-compensated 

Or surely proving the points that refs are damned if they do and damned if they don't!

[Redz]

No ref that supports a particular club should ever be put in a position where he / she is in charge of their game

Simple really

[vanderark14]

1 hour ago, Fairbairn said:

Or surely proving the points that refs are damned if they do and damned if they don't!

or it proves the point a supporter of a club shouldn't be anywhere near their games. It would be close to impossible to be impartial but this is Scottish football. 

[Orraloon]

1 hour ago, Redz said:

No ref that supports a particular club should ever be put in a position where he / she is in charge of their game

Simple really

I would have thought that every ref would have been a supporter of one team or another at some point in their life?

[Fairbairn]

5 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

or it proves the point a supporter of a club shouldn't be anywhere near their games. It would be close to impossible to be impartial but this is Scottish football. 

Only if your calling the integrity of the referees in to question. It’s a bit like saying Man City shouldn’t play Jack Grealish against Villa as he won’t try as hard. 
 

I genuinely don’t believe we have any refs who are bent, cheats or biased. We just have a significant number who are not very good at their job. We also have a culture up here where every mistake is scrutinised to the nth degree with people desperate for the reasoning to have a more sinister meaning.