aaid Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Malcolm said: So both companies were 84% owned by their respective governments. In one case the the government sold a stake diltuting its investment, in the other the government bought an stake to stop the banking system going in to melt down. The end result is the same with both companies being Government owned. The end result might have been the same but the circumstances surrounding how they got there were very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The fundamentals are that nationalising these industries doesn’t solve the problem, certainly not on the supply business. the fundamental problem is we don’t produce enough energy and therefore are economically reliant on rogue states. build lots of nuclear power as quickly as possible, open all the oil fields, and start fracking. throw out any concept of net zero. this is what we need to do to resolve our National emergency in the medium long term. in the sort term cut taxes and support the most vulnerable to help pay the horrible pricing we are About to endure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 That's fundamentally shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: That's fundamentally shite You dont give a lot of detail in your response. investment and economic growth is the way out of this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Malcolm said: You dont give a lot of detail in your response. investment and economic growth is the way out of this mess. My lack of detail is every bit as good as this kind of trope We need a major adjustment to Capitalism and cunts jailed for corruption, fraud and greed There's some detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaff Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I'm with ally here, capitalism is the problem. Fracking? Seriously? As for finite resources, the wind is always blowing. Were we not told that energy prices would fall as our energy would come from sustainable resources? It seems like paying shareholders a premium comes before everything else. Unfortunately nothing will change in Scotland as we're a bunch of shitebags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Malcolm said: the fundamental problem is we don’t produce enough energy and therefore are economically reliant on rogue state Scotland produces more than it needs . An independent Scotland would have excess power. We could nationalise that to benefit the citizens of our country. We are currently in a union with a rogue state Edited August 10, 2022 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: My lack of detail is every bit as good as this kind of trope We need a major adjustment to Capitalism and cunts jailed for corruption, fraud and greed There's some detail you can certainly be jailed for corruption and fraud but not for greed. There will be no adjustment to capitalism - it’s the basis on which our economy works and by which the whole pie gets bigger. yes, there are charlatans that live on the edge of the law, but equally lots of good news stories where people make themselves millionaires through risk taking and hard work. The key thing is that there success drives others success and overall wealth. if you want to see communism in action look at post war Soviet Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, stocky said: Scotland produces more than it needs . An independent Scotland would have excess power. We could nationalise that to benefit the citizens of our country. We are currently in a union with a rogue state we have no means by which to store the energy. We, the Uk, have been exporting energy throughout the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Malcolm said: The key thing is that there success drives others success and overall wealth. How's that been working out in the last 20 years ? never mind the last 20 - how about the last 2 https://www.statista.com/chart/27505/uks-richest-are-getting-richer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Malcolm said: we have no means by which to store the energy. We, the Uk, have been exporting energy throughout the summer. Pretty sure that's the second time I've read that on here. Pump storage hydro is not new to Scotland and more is planned. Hydrogen storage, generated from excess renewables is the near future. Hopefully quicker than building your nuclear dream. More trolling. Data please? Interested in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan II Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Malcolm said: if you want to see communism in action look at post war Soviet Union. Arguably, that's not strictly true. It was a very distinct "Stalinist" regime which departed quite far from the ideology of Marx. It might have had a Marxist face, but it didn't live up to his ideals. Anyway, can't be arsed. Writing this on a phone. Using USSR as an argument against Communism though? What about failed capitalist-driven societies? Could name several hundred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 51 minutes ago, Malcolm said: we have no means by which to store the energy. We, the Uk, have been exporting energy throughout the summer. We, and I mean Scotland wouldn't need to store, short term as we could sell to england until we build storage facilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 7 hours ago, duncan II said: Arguably, that's not strictly true. It was a very distinct "Stalinist" regime which departed quite far from the ideology of Marx. It might have had a Marxist face, but it didn't live up to his ideals. Anyway, can't be arsed. Writing this on a phone. Using USSR as an argument against Communism though? What about failed capitalist-driven societies? Could name several hundred. Sorry but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Every economic model is gonna be deeply flawed in practice because of human flaws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan II Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Sorry but Sorry but... that's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, duncan II said: Sorry but... that's wrong. It’s a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I’m not going to sit an argue the virtues of one ideology over another. I’m a capitalist, but I appreciate that a lot of you are leftys and are never going to agree with me. hopefully this board is not representative of Scotland as a whole. My fear on Scotland gaining independence would be higher taxes and means testing on everything including things like pensions. We already pay significantly more tax than England, although I can almost justify that at current levels for free university education and free prescriptions. if it got bad, I would remove myself from the labour market as the marginal gain would not justify the effort, or work from England, have an English ‘address’ but live in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 53 minutes ago, Malcolm said: I’m not going to sit an argue the virtues of one ideology over another. I’m a capitalist, but I appreciate that a lot of you are leftys and are never going to agree with me. hopefully this board is not representative of Scotland as a whole. My fear on Scotland gaining independence would be higher taxes and means testing on everything including things like pensions. We already pay significantly more tax than England, although I can almost justify that at current levels for free university education and free prescriptions. if it got bad, I would remove myself from the labour market as the marginal gain would not justify the effort, or work from England, have an English ‘address’ but live in Scotland. Coming up with a tax dodge like that isn't going to help convince people you're not a Rangers fan...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Fairbairn said: Coming up with a tax dodge like that isn't going to help convince people you're not a Rangers fan...... 😂😂😂👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Malcolm said: but I appreciate that a lot of you are leftys and are never going to agree with me. hopefully this board is not representative of Scotland as a whole. My fear on Scotland gaining independence would be higher taxes and means testing on everything including things like pensions. We already pay significantly more tax than England, although I can almost justify that at current levels for free university education and free prescriptions. if it got bad, I would remove myself from the labour market as the marginal gain would not justify the effort, or work from England, have an English ‘address’ but live in Scotland. We wont agree if you spout nonsense Are free prescriptions means tested just now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Sorry but Don't apologize because it is correct. Like I have said it stuns me that people give communism a free pass. It killed tens of millions of people in the most horrific manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 When does communism get a "free pass" ? Communism is that big of a boogie man that the right spend most of their time conflating it with socialism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Malcolm said: I’m not going to sit an argue the virtues of one ideology over another. I’m a capitalist, but I appreciate that a lot of you are leftys and are never going to agree with me. hopefully this board is not representative of Scotland as a whole. My fear on Scotland gaining independence would be higher taxes and means testing on everything including things like pensions. We already pay significantly more tax than England, although I can almost justify that at current levels for free university education and free prescriptions. if it got bad, I would remove myself from the labour market as the marginal gain would not justify the effort, or work from England, have an English ‘address’ but live in Scotland. all of which could happen if Scotland remains in the unions. I have said it before but I don;t think you get what independence is, you are only thinking of yourself and your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan II Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: It’s a joke I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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