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[aaid]

I suspect there's no doubt that it was "planned" for the Queen to die at Balmoral but I also think that was her choice and was primarily for personal reasons.   I suspect everyone who had a choice would want to die somewhere that they felt most comfortable.   I saw an interesting thread from a doctor who specialises in palliative care, ie. and expert in dying, who detailed the stages of "natural" death and that followed everything that the Queen had done over the last year or so, right up to her hanging on for the new PM to visit.

I also think its the last thing in the world that the UK Government would've wanted to happen, they'd have been happier if she'd died at Windsor, Sandringham or Buckingham Palace.   I don't think they would want Scotland - at this time - to be front and centre and with the constitutional differences being laid bare.

Putting to one side what anyone thinks of the monarchy in the modern day, what you've seen played out in a very public and visible way is the Scottish monarchy, its symbols and traditions and in a location - the Old Town in Edinburgh - which predates the Union of the Crowns and I bet they absolutely hate that and it's no surprise that the Unionists are spinning this for all its worth.

I saw a quick interview with Ailsa Henderson, professor of Politics at Edinburgh University, and she was talking about polling on the monarchy - I don't think there's been a huge amount done, that might be something which may change now. 

The monarchy is less popular in Scotland than in the wider UK, something like 45% compared to 55% but it is still a majority position - a lot of don't knows.  When you look at it across the party political perspective then for Tories it's around 70%, Labour/LibDem is around 50%, and SNP is in the high 20s. You'd expect that but there's plenty of Unionists who are Republicans and Nationalists who are Royalists.

I think it's pretty telling that there's been very little displays of either Unionism or Nationalism on show from the general public either in Edinburgh or along the route - very few flags of either description.  I don't think this is a "silent majority" for either side, just ordinary people with their own views or none on Independence.

The whole thing is a lot more nuanced and complex than a lot of commentators understand or are prepared to admit.

[aaid]

16 minutes ago, stocky said:

''A man has been arrested after he was allegedly seen carrying eggs as the Queen’s funeral cortege passed him""

 

,🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚

Did he have bacon and milk as well?

[KirkieRobRoy]

19 minutes ago, aaid said:

I suspect there's no doubt that it was "planned" for the Queen to die at Balmoral but I also think that was her choice and was primarily for personal reasons.   I suspect everyone who had a choice would want to die somewhere that they felt most comfortable.   I saw an interesting thread from a doctor who specialises in palliative care, ie. and expert in dying, who detailed the stages of "natural" death and that followed everything that the Queen had done over the last year or so, right up to her hanging on for the new PM to visit.

I also think its the last thing in the world that the UK Government would've wanted to happen, they'd have been happier if she'd died at Windsor, Sandringham or Buckingham Palace.   I don't think they would want Scotland - at this time - to be front and centre and with the constitutional differences being laid bare.

Putting to one side what anyone thinks of the monarchy in the modern day, what you've seen played out in a very public and visible way is the Scottish monarchy, its symbols and traditions and in a location - the Old Town in Edinburgh - which predates the Union of the Crowns and I bet they absolutely hate that and it's no surprise that the Unionists are spinning this for all its worth.

I saw a quick interview with Ailsa Henderson, professor of Politics at Edinburgh University, and she was talking about polling on the monarchy - I don't think there's been a huge amount done, that might be something which may change now. 

The monarchy is less popular in Scotland than in the wider UK, something like 45% compared to 55% but it is still a majority position - a lot of don't knows.  When you look at it across the party political perspective then for Tories it's around 70%, Labour/LibDem is around 50%, and SNP is in the high 20s. You'd expect that but there's plenty of Unionists who are Republicans and Nationalists who are Royalists.

I think it's pretty telling that there's been very little displays of either Unionism or Nationalism on show from the general public either in Edinburgh or along the route - very few flags of either description.  I don't think this is a "silent majority" for either side, just ordinary people with their own views or none on Independence.

The whole thing is a lot more nuanced and complex than a lot of commentators understand or are prepared to admit.

I think that's a very thought-provoking and measured analysis of the way things have gone. I wish the Beeb could interview you on telly. One reason, though, I'd add for the lack of either Union Jackery or Saltiredom in the Edinburgh crowds is that inevitably, in Edinburgh, many of them are tourists from abroad. What a bonus for their hols! 'We went to Edinburgh and saw the British Queen being dead'!

[Hertsscot]

17 minutes ago, KirkieRobRoy said:

One reason, though, I'd add for the lack of either Union Jackery or Saltiredom in the Edinburgh crowds is that inevitably, in Edinburgh, many of them are tourists from abroad. What a bonus for their hols! 'We went to Edinburgh and saw the British Queen being dead'!

And the new 'King' into the bargain!

[thplinth]

And of course great friend of Prince sorry King Charlie... Jimmy Saville.

 

[Ally Bongo]

[RDFH64]

6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

She’s coming home, she’s coming home the queen’s coming home 🥳

[thplinth]

Does not appear to match the front page on their website. It is pretty poisonous if fake.

https://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2022-09-13

[Fairbairn]

1 hour ago, aaid said:

The monarchy is less popular in Scotland than in the wider UK, something like 45% compared to 55% 

 

Well I suppose that makes sense!

[thplinth]

I really do suspect they have something on Prince Harry. 😀 They way he changed...

Edited September 13, 2022 by thplinth

[Ally Bongo]

7 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Does not appear to match the front page on their website. It is pretty poisonous if fake.

https://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2022-09-13

Of course it is fake - 10p for a Daily Express ?

And it is hardly poisonous when it is an accurate reflection of what they really think

Edited September 13, 2022 by Ally Bongo

[Dave78]

11 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Does not appear to match the front page on their website. It is pretty poisonous if fake.

https://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2022-09-13

If you couldn't discern the Express cover as fake, what chance that video?

https://www.eonline.com/news/630827/viral-video-of-naked-man-escaping-from-buckingham-palace-revealed-to-be-launch-of-d-throned-tabloid-for-e-s-the-royals

[thplinth]

I literally just posted highlighting it was fake you berk. 😀 

[Fairbairn]

19 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Of course it is fake - 10p for a Daily Express ?

And it is hardly poisonous when it is an accurate reflection of what they really think

Tbf it's not saying it's 10p, it's saying it's 10p cheaper than the Daily Mail.  I've seen a few papers do that over the years, very misleading!

[Dave78]

6 minutes ago, thplinth said:

I literally just posted highlighting it was fake you berk. 😀 

When you say you just posted, are you talking about this tweet? Because it seems to be saying that the fake video was a cover-up for the original video (which looks to me like the same video).

Very confusing rabbit hole you've wandered down.

 

https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1569453716700549120?s=20&t=f8ASEM_kE1WK097gSLOPaw

[Dave78]

22 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Of course it is fake - 10p for a Daily Express ?

 

It's the shitty typesetting and layout that instantly gives it away. Will have taken 5 mins on MS Paint.

[Ally Bongo]

There used to be a time where people would look at something, be outraged, then realise it's fake and laugh about it ..

I know i fucking did but there is always one isnt there ?

Maybe this is why we cant

 

[thplinth]

For me it was more the borderline incitement to hatred content, 'get that flag off our queen', 'finally the nightmare is over as OUR Queen heads home'., 'finally coming home ma'am' etc. plus all the seeming anti Scottish sub headers on the front page. But yeah it was the (now debunked) 10p theory and the MS typeset... 😀

 

[Nobby]

3 hours ago, kumnio said:

I haven’t made a single comment on the Queen, as it’s not something I care about. If someone wants to shout at Andrew, and a frankly non offensive shout, then in a free country, there isn’t an issue. 

There’s always a time and a place, and for some people, it’s out of the way, when there’s no media, and it isn’t noticed. Others don’t believe in that nonsense. 

I didn’t say you had. Behaving like that during a funeral procession is simply rude and ill mannered and I would tend to disagree that it wasn’t an issue. I suspect 99% of the people were there to show their respect. Plod probably did him a favour getting hold of him as he would likely have gotten a hiding off of people in the crowd. 
All he did was make himself look like a prize cockwomble, imho of course 😉 

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, thplinth said:

For me it was more the borderline incitement to hatred content, 'get that flag off our queen', 'finally the nightmare is over as OUR Queen heads home'., 'finally coming home ma'am' etc. plus all the seeming anti Scottish sub headers on the front page. But yeah it was the (now debunked) 10p theory and the MS typeset... 😀

 

Yeah that's why you had to google to see what the front page of today's Express was ...and even then you still werent sure (if fake)

Fanny

Keep digging that hole

[Toepoke]

46 minutes ago, Nobby said:

I didn’t say you had. Behaving like that during a funeral procession is simply rude and ill mannered and I would tend to disagree that it wasn’t an issue. I suspect 99% of the people were there to show their respect. Plod probably did him a favour getting hold of him as he would likely have gotten a hiding off of people in the crowd. 
All he did was make himself look like a prize cockwomble, imho of course 😉 

IMO Andrew should've been nowhere near that event yesterday. Appreciate it's his mother but he had and still has plenty of opportunity to grieve in private. 

 

[RDFH64]

15 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

IMO Andrew should've been nowhere near that event yesterday. Appreciate it's his mother but he had and still has plenty of opportunity to grieve in private. 

 

It’s all about getting him back into the royal fold, he’ll be gradually included by stealth so we get used to seeing him involved in royal engagements🤬

[Dave78]

1 minute ago, RDFH64 said:

It’s all about getting him back into the royal fold, he’ll be gradually included by stealth so we get used to seeing him involved in royal engagements🤬

Yep. Look at the huge bump in polling Chuck has gotten this month. You have to think some of that will be reflected onto all of the royals....

 

[RDFH64]

2 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

Yep. Look at the huge bump in polling Chuck has gotten this month. You have to think some of that will be reflected onto all of the royals....

 

They did it with camilla & look where she is now.

[aaid]

The plane went over my house about 5 minutes ago, loud.