Taylor1996 Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division Is that right?! Oh my god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division? Also, did John McGovern not captain the European cup winning team two years in a row and never got a Scotland cap? Correct on both. Changed days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division? Also, did John McGovern not captain the European cup winning team two years in a row and never got a Scotland cap? Andy Gray is a tit. Completely irrelevant to your post but I haven’t said that for a while and thought it was time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 (Since Andy Gray has been mentioned) Gray and Keys made Sky Sports what is. The only reason Gray was sacked because the Sun hacked his phone and for some weird reason, he objected. Who owns/owned the Sun and Sky? Gray's boss. Gray is wasted in a studio. Andy Gray and Martin Tyler are the best football commentary duo. Legends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Gauld has been in good form this season and is a good player. In other times he would have walked into the squad however he is competting against established EPL players and players who play for the biggest clubs in Scotland. Nomatter how you mix it, he hasnt performed at that level in his career to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division? Also, did John McGovern not captain the European cup winning team two years in a row and never got a Scotland cap? Yea but he was no were near as good as Joe Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I have no opinion on Andy gray👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Apparently, Gauld has 30 teams tracking him, including Sporting Lisbon, Braga, Southampton, Swansea, Stoke, Norwich. No matter where he moves, I hope that it's in a better league than the one that Farense will be in next season. I think he has enough cache now to be able to move and be guaranteed a starting place. If he had to move to England, I would love to see him at a team like Leeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 The myth the legend of Gauld, he’d be as well retiring now and he could be remembered as our best never capped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 3:13 PM, The Black Bra said: Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division? Also, did John McGovern not captain the European cup winning team two years in a row and never got a Scotland cap? Also Alan Hansen captained Liverpool to the double in 1986 but didn't make the squad for Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Also Alan Hansen captained Liverpool to the double in 1986 but didn't make the squad for Mexico. Probably a good job given his calamitous error V USSR in 1982 that ultimately cost us qualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Anyway on Gauld it is time for him to play with the big boys. Lets see him in a better league and see what he can do week in week out against better players. If he cracks it then there is no way Clarke can ignore him then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Anyway on Gauld it is time for him to play with the big boys. Lets see him in a better league and see what he can do week in week out against better players. If he cracks it then there is no way Clarke can ignore him then. Let’s be honest he shouldn’t be getting ignored now. He’s in a better league than the SPL sans is one of the best players in it statistically. Clarke picked a really promising squad and can’t be criticised for taking uncapped players we all wanted in, however, Gauld should be capped by now for sure. Southampton after him apparently.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57213885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: The myth the legend of Gauld, he’d be as well retiring now and he could be remembered as our best never capped. Except Ralph Milne. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Let’s be honest he shouldn’t be getting ignored now. He’s in a better league than the SPL sans is one of the best players in it statistically. Clarke picked a really promising squad and can’t be criticised for taking uncapped players we all wanted in, however, Gauld should be capped by now for sure. Southampton after him apparently.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57213885 Would be great to see him play with Stuart Armstrong again. Anywhere except Scotland would be fine, unless he comes back to Tannadice of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Let’s be honest he shouldn’t be getting ignored now. He’s in a better league than the SPL sans is one of the best players in it statistically. Clarke picked a really promising squad and can’t be criticised for taking uncapped players we all wanted in, however, Gauld should be capped by now for sure. Southampton after him apparently.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57213885 Personally, I'd have left either Taylor or 1 of the CBs at home and took an extra midfielder in Gauld. But it really is hard to argue against any of the players that have been picked ahead of him - Armstrong, Turnbull, McGinn, Christie, Fraser. I think his inclusion is inevitable, and with slightly more fortunate transfer decisions in the past, he might have been playing for us for a few years by now. But Scotland have so many examples of players being called up late and flourishing. His time will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I think Clarke made it clear why Taylor is in: it's so he can field two full teams in training; since Tierney will play centre back he needs an authentic left back for the other team. I get that totally. If Gauld had been selected instead of Turnbull - as he easily coud have - then we would all have been moaning that Turnbull was omitted, despite the fact he was quite poor in recent games av Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, adamntg said: Would be great to see him play with Stuart Armstrong again. Anywhere except Scotland would be fine, unless he comes back to Tannadice of course. Agreed. Celtic especially would go for him and probably are interested but Gauld seems to have bags of ambition so hopefully he goes to the EPL and Southampton are a good mid table club to establish yourself at. Southampton, Wolves, Leeds etc - all of these would be good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggycoo Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: Let’s be honest he shouldn’t be getting ignored now. He’s in a better league than the SPL sans is one of the best players in it statistically. Clarke picked a really promising squad and can’t be criticised for taking uncapped players we all wanted in, however, Gauld should be capped by now for sure. Southampton after him apparently.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57213885 So if someone played for Hamilton, had 10 goals, 15 assists and a clutch of mom awards would they have been an automatic pick?? Nope, so why does a chap playing for one of the worst teams in the Portuguese top flight get in the squad? Yes, it is a better league than the one in Scotland but it is hardly the La Liga. Just trying to put a little perspective on it though I agree with most in that I would have liked to see Gauld in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, shaggycoo said: So if someone played for Hamilton, had 10 goals, 15 assists and a clutch of mom awards would they have been an automatic pick?? Nope, so why does a chap playing for one of the worst teams in the Portuguese top flight get in the squad? Yes, it is a better league than the one in Scotland but it is hardly the La Liga. Just trying to put a little perspective on it though I agree with most in that I would have liked to see Gauld in the squad. The Portuguese league is a country mile better than the SPFL. There’s no comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, adamntg said: Would be great to see him play with Stuart Armstrong again. Anywhere except Scotland would be fine, unless he comes back to Tannadice of course. If he was to come back to the UK, I think Southampton would be a good club. Steve Clarke would probably be happy too. It would be good to see him in Spain or one of the top four in Portugal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, shaggycoo said: So if someone played for Hamilton, had 10 goals, 15 assists and a clutch of mom awards would they have been an automatic pick?? Nope, so why does a chap playing for one of the worst teams in the Portuguese top flight get in the squad? Yes, it is a better league than the one in Scotland but it is hardly the La Liga. Just trying to put a little perspective on it though I agree with most in that I would have liked to see Gauld in the squad. I'd agree with that. My nagging worry was his loan spell at Hibs, which by all accounts, was underwhelming. He has upped his levels since then and just feel he has been unfortunate on two levels. Firstly, we are well stacked in the position he plays in and we've been doing decent of late. Secondly, he's been unlucky because there are virtually no meaningless friendlies anymore where you used to be able to experiment and look at new players, However, if he moves to the EPL say and puts in good performances it will be a formality for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Third Lanark said: I think Clarke made it clear why Taylor is in: it's so he can field two full teams in training; since Tierney will play centre back he needs an authentic left back for the other team. I get that totally. If Gauld had been selected instead of Turnbull - as he easily coud have - then we would all have been moaning that Turnbull was omitted, despite the fact he was quite poor in recent games av Rangers. There is a little more to it than that. He could easily have taken Considine for the same reason, if it was just about having someone to play against in training, and would have had a more fairytale aspect to it. Clarke has alluded to the importance of having a good dynamic in the camp because these guys are going to be together for over a month. I've heard Taylor is a good guy to have in the dressing room, which may have edged it for him. Obviously Clarke doesn't know what Gauld is like in person, so wouldn't have had that extra reason to be included. But I wonder if anyone was excluded for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, shaggycoo said: So if someone played for Hamilton, had 10 goals, 15 assists and a clutch of mom awards would they have been an automatic pick?? Nope, so why does a chap playing for one of the worst teams in the Portuguese top flight get in the squad? Yes, it is a better league than the one in Scotland but it is hardly the La Liga. Just trying to put a little perspective on it though I agree with most in that I would have liked to see Gauld in the squad. No. EPL teams wouldn’t be chasing them either as it’s an inferior league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHfaeGTA Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 5/23/2021 at 11:56 AM, ProudScot said: No. EPL teams wouldn’t be chasing them either as it’s an inferior league. Correct but that player would no doubt be quickly snapped up by Celtic or Rangers then likely be in Scotland squad shortly thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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