Ryan Gauld

[breeks_mctavish]

Really good squad, it would almost be a shame if there weren’t some contentious decisions. It means our pool of players is growing. I understand the reasons put for and against Gauld’s inclusion but overall the squad has a good feel and you can’t ask for much more than that.

[Diamond Scot]

I think it came down to Turnbull or Gauld. Personally id have picked Gauld but theres an argument either way.

Those thinking Forrest is a strange one. Theres more to International footbal than just picking "the best players" as strange as that sounds. International managers get very little time with players and therefore it can take a few squads to fully get the ideas / tactics over. Players need to know whats expected of them in and out of posession, what to do in different phases etc.

Therefore theres some merit in calling up guys like Forrest who have A) performed previously, b) performed at a high level for years and C) already know what Clarke wants and Clarke knows they can do it.

Call up to many uncapped players at same time could be a disaster. Calling up 3 for a Euros is brave enough for me.

[Third Lanark]

4 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said:

I think it came down to Turnbull or Gauld. Personally id have picked Gauld but theres an argument either way.

Those thinking Forrest is a strange one. Theres more to International footbal than just picking "the best players" as strange as that sounds. International managers get very little time with players and therefore it can take a few squads to fully get the ideas / tactics over. Players need to know whats expected of them in and out of posession, what to do in different phases etc.

Therefore theres some merit in calling up guys like Forrest who have A) performed previously, b) performed at a high level for years and C) already know what Clarke wants and Clarke knows they can do it.

Call up to many uncapped players at same time could be a disaster. Calling up 3 for a Euros is brave enough for me.

Not strange at all, that's avery good point that too many on here don't get. Priority is to create a team that is better than the sum of its parts. That may leaving out some players in form. Keeping the team esprit de corps is paramount.

[GHfaeGTA]

1 hour ago, Burj_Alba said:

McGinn was down injured a few minutes ago. ( happily back up again ) Wonder if Ryan is watching. 

I doubt it. He’s got a very big game tonight. 

[breeks_mctavish]

26 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said:

I think it came down to Turnbull or Gauld. Personally id have picked Gauld but theres an argument either way.

Those thinking Forrest is a strange one. Theres more to International footbal than just picking "the best players" as strange as that sounds. International managers get very little time with players and therefore it can take a few squads to fully get the ideas / tactics over. Players need to know whats expected of them in and out of posession, what to do in different phases etc.

Therefore theres some merit in calling up guys like Forrest who have A) performed previously, b) performed at a high level for years and C) already know what Clarke wants and Clarke knows they can do it.

Call up to many uncapped players at same time could be a disaster. Calling up 3 for a Euros is brave enough for me.

Good post

[romanticscot]

Think if we  were a Brazil or a France, getting down to a squad must leave tons of great players at home, we have a squad of 26 with a few debatable names out, the rest are nowhere near good enough. Not sure if that's good or bad. 

[Taylor1996]

10 hours ago, Texas Pete said:

That is true. I wouldn’t be surprised if we do pick up some injuries this weekend or in our training camp or warm up matches.

Let’s get one thing straight though - Ryan Gauld is not Ronaldo. He’s a decent player but would he add to the squad significantly? Probably not. Would he be a decent addition? More than likely but is he actually better than the guys we have? It would be interesting to see how he does in one of the top leagues (which the Portuguese league is not one of). I dare say Stuart Armstrong could go over to Portugal and impress in that league.  

If I was the Scotland manager I think I would probably have him in the squad but I’m not. Clarke obviously prefers the players he has picked and that’s up to him. He is lpaid to make these decisions and we’ll just need to back the players he has selected. 

If Gauld is as good as you think he is then he’ll get a move to a bigger/better club and Clarke will have to look at him again. 

The thing with Fraser is an odd one. Technically he isnt even fit and he's currently in rehab from an operation. There's every chance he won't make the final cut.

He's definitely no Ronaldo, but only Ronaldo is Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a force of nature. 

Ryan Gauld is far better than decent. Would he greatly improve the Scotland team? Definitely. 

Statistically, when it comes to production of goals, Ryan Gauld is the 5th best player in Portugal. For a player who plays for a team that finished 2nd bottom, that us incredible. I've watched Farese 15 times. They have always had less possession than the opposition:

Harris Seferovic (Benfica) goals + assists: 29
Medhi Taremi (Porto) goals + assists: 27
Pedro Concalves (Sporting Lisbon) goals + assists:  26
Sergio Oliveiera (Porto) goals + assists: 18
Ryan Gauld (Farese) goals + assists: 16

The Portugese league isn't a top 5 league, but it's still far better than the SPL.

And no, Stuart Armstrong wouldn't make any impression on the Portugese Primeira Liga. Certainly not for the second worst team in the league.

[vanderark14]

11 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

I think it came down to Turnbull or Gauld. Personally id have picked Gauld but theres an argument either way.

Those thinking Forrest is a strange one. Theres more to International footbal than just picking "the best players" as strange as that sounds. International managers get very little time with players and therefore it can take a few squads to fully get the ideas / tactics over. Players need to know whats expected of them in and out of posession, what to do in different phases etc.

Therefore theres some merit in calling up guys like Forrest who have A) performed previously, b) performed at a high level for years and C) already know what Clarke wants and Clarke knows they can do it.

Call up to many uncapped players at same time could be a disaster. Calling up 3 for a Euros is brave enough for me.

Excellent post. I would also add Fraser, it may seem like a strange choice to some but Clarke will want to give him a chance to get fit and play at the Euros. Fraser has done well for Scotland and as you says he know what Clarke wants and Clarke knows he can do it.

I suspect Gauld will be called up if Fraser doesn't make it. I still maintain some are getting carried away with Gauld.

11 hours ago, GHfaeGTA said:

I doubt it. He’s got a very big game tonight. 

Didn't go well for the lad. Farense have been relegated. 

Hopefully he gets a decent move soon

[killiefaetheferry]

Out of contract this month. Twitter rumours of interest from 30ish clubs. Inter Miami among them. If the interest from England is true then it's going to be interesting to see him competing in the same league as his competitors for a place in the squad following the Euros. You'd imagine that if the Brighton, Norwich and Brentford (if promoted) interest is true, then playing in the EPL would be the challenge he'd want to take on. I'd really like to see him at Brighton. Strong at the back and solid in midfield; he'd be free to express himself in forward areas which I think is exactly where he can flourish.

[killiefaetheferry]

3 hours ago, Taylor1996 said:

Harris Seferovic (Benfica) goals + assists: 29
Medhi Taremi (Porto) goals + assists: 27
Pedro Concalves (Sporting Lisbon) goals + assists:  26
Sergio Oliveiera (Porto) goals + assists: 18
Ryan Gauld (Farese) goals + assists: 16

If he was Portuguese and called Ryanio Gauldinho he'd be top of the transfer target list for those top 3 big clubs there. He may well be...

[Texas Pete]

4 hours ago, Taylor1996 said:

The thing with Fraser is an odd one. Technically he isnt even fit and he's currently in rehab from an operation. There's every chance he won't make the final cut.

He's definitely no Ronaldo, but only Ronaldo is Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a force of nature. 

Ryan Gauld is far better than decent. Would he greatly improve the Scotland team? Definitely. 

Statistically, when it comes to production of goals, Ryan Gauld is the 5th best player in Portugal. For a player who plays for a team that finished 2nd bottom, that us incredible. I've watched Farese 15 times. They have always had less possession than the opposition:

Harris Seferovic (Benfica) goals + assists: 29
Medhi Taremi (Porto) goals + assists: 27
Pedro Concalves (Sporting Lisbon) goals + assists:  26
Sergio Oliveiera (Porto) goals + assists: 18
Ryan Gauld (Farese) goals + assists: 16

The Portugese league isn't a top 5 league, but it's still far better than the SPL.

And no, Stuart Armstrong wouldn't make any impression on the Portugese Primeira Liga. Certainly not for the second worst team in the league.

You have been saying for the last few weeks that Fraser was only out for a couple of weeks and he’ll be fine for June. Which is it?

Gauld’s career has stalled until this point. I don’t remember you salivating over him prior to the last few weeks. 

He has obviously hit a bit of form but that doesn’t mean he’s a world beater all of a sudden. You also appear to be dramatically  over estimating the quality of the Portuguese league. A player who can perform well in the EPL can certainly do so in Portugal. 

Professional managers and coaches who are EXTREMELY more qualified than you and me have decided that Gauld is no better than the players we have in that position so maybe it’s time you dialled down your arrogance and realised you don’t know better than them? 

[ParisInAKilt]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

Excellent post. I would also add Fraser, it may seem like a strange choice to some but Clarke will want to give him a chance to get fit and play at the Euros. Fraser has done well for Scotland and as you says he know what Clarke wants and Clarke knows he can do it.

I suspect Gauld will be called up if Fraser doesn't make it. I still maintain some are getting carried away with Gauld.

Didn't go well for the lad. Farense have been relegated. 

Hopefully he gets a decent move soon

Same. Don’t get me wrong I’d have liked to have a look at him in a friendly but he’s nearly 26 and only really had 1 good season in the Portuguese main division. 

[duncan II]

4 hours ago, Taylor1996 said:

 

He's definitely no Ronaldo, but only Ronaldo is Ronaldo.  

 

Aye, but that's simply not true. There's two Ronaldos. I'm not even sure to which you are referring. 🤠

[Texas Pete]

1 hour ago, killiefaetheferry said:

If he was Portuguese and called Ryanio Gauldinho he'd be top of the transfer target list for those top 3 big clubs there. He may well be...

He already spent 5 years at Sporting so they already know what he can do and it’s unlikely, although not impossible, the they would sign him again. 

He was on loan at Hibs less than 2 years ago and barely made an impression. He has obviously improved since then but I do think this is getting blown out of all proportion. 

[Caledonian Craig]

I was having pops (prior to announcement yesterday) with regards Clarke's squad selections being too safe and unambitious. He proved me wrong naming Turnbull, Patterson and Gilmour in the squad. Gauld missed out as did a number of other players with more experience and more evidence they can do the business at international level.Hopefully, Gauld's chance will come but I certainly see where Clarke was coming from in saying we are well-stocked in the position Gauld plays. Shit happens unfortunately. I'd bet it has happened in every squad we've ever named for a major tournament where someone has missed out who people would think should have been included. 

[er yir macaroon]

According to Steve Bruce, Fraser is training, which is not the same as rehab. It’s not like he’s starting from zero fitness so I doubt if there will be a problem with him. If there is I think it will be Gauld or Morgan that replaces him. 

[slasher]

I think most of us would have included Gauld at the expense of Taylor. I guess Clarke may have considered Tierneys recent injury record in his thinking. 🙅‍♂️

Otherwise its hard to find any fault in the squad and I certainly wouldn't have included Griffiths

[vanderark14]

14 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said:

According to Steve Bruce, Fraser is training, which is not the same as rehab. It’s not like he’s starting from zero fitness so I doubt if there will be a problem with him. If there is I think it will be Gauld or Morgan that replaces him. 

I don't pay enough attention but is steve Bruce as vocal with any other internationals? 

[shaggycoo]

3 hours ago, Texas Pete said:

You have been saying for the last few weeks that Fraser was only out for a couple of weeks and he’ll be fine for June. Which is it?

Gauld’s career has stalled until this point. I don’t remember you salivating over him prior to the last few weeks. 

He has obviously hit a bit of form but that doesn’t mean he’s a world beater all of a sudden. You also appear to be dramatically  over estimating the quality of the Portuguese league. A player who can perform well in the EPL can certainly do so in Portugal. 

Professional managers and coaches who are EXTREMELY more qualified than you and me have decided that Gauld is no better than the players we have in that position so maybe it’s time you dialled down your arrogance and realised you don’t know better than them? 

Wouldn't be the first player to have an upturn in form when his contract was about to expire. 

[ThistleWhistle]

4 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said:

Out of contract this month. Twitter rumours of interest from 30ish clubs. Inter Miami among them. If the interest from England is true then it's going to be interesting to see him competing in the same league as his competitors for a place in the squad following the Euros. You'd imagine that if the Brighton, Norwich and Brentford (if promoted) interest is true, then playing in the EPL would be the challenge he'd want to take on. I'd really like to see him at Brighton. Strong at the back and solid in midfield; he'd be free to express himself in forward areas which I think is exactly where he can flourish.

Brentford if they stay down would be a good move too - they've a conveyor belt of buying cheap selling high and would play style and system to suit him.    

[mccaughey85]

18 hours ago, romanticscot said:

Think if we  were a Brazil or a France, getting down to a squad must leave tons of great players at home, we have a squad of 26 with a few debatable names out, the rest are nowhere near good enough. Not sure if that's good or bad. 

yeh theres loads of brilliant players who are french, spanish, english etc who get left out of tournament squads. If gauld is the best player we have who gets left out our squad then its not exactly a travesty. even scotland squads in the 70s and 80s had some cracking players that never got picked for tournaments.

[Taylor1996]

6 hours ago, Texas Pete said:

You have been saying for the last few weeks that Fraser was only out for a couple of weeks and he’ll be fine for June. Which is it?

Gauld’s career has stalled until this point. I don’t remember you salivating over him prior to the last few weeks. 

He has obviously hit a bit of form but that doesn’t mean he’s a world beater all of a sudden. You also appear to be dramatically  over estimating the quality of the Portuguese league. A player who can perform well in the EPL can certainly do so in Portugal. 

Professional managers and coaches who are EXTREMELY more qualified than you and me have decided that Gauld is no better than the players we have in that position so maybe it’s time you dialled down your arrogance and realised you don’t know better than them? 

I'm not a part of the Newcastle United medic staff, therefore, I don't have inside information nor am I privy to any potential leaks that came within the club. I'm working on what the media and what specialist sites declare. From my understanding he had his operation April 22nd. The recovery process fluctuates, as some people recover faster than others.

If all good well, a patient recovering from a groin opperation begins light running/cardio three weeks after the opperation (13th May) and the intense running/cardio six weeks after the opperation (3rd June).

Yes. I did say that Ryan Fraser will be out  for "2 week" on the 2nd May. Which is correct. 2 weeks after 2nd May is 16th May, and by that time he should've been in light training: https://www.tamb.net/forum/index.php?/topic/15560-scottish-players-in-action-2021/&do=findComment&comment=646722

Haven't you been gone since the past few weeks? Weeks? Try months: https://www.tamb.net/forum/index.php?/topic/15922-ryan-gauld/

 

Arrogance? Says the guy who dictates to people what they can and can't talk about on an posting board.

There are levels of competence. Hypothetically, Derek McInnes may have  the same coaching badges a Thomas Tuchel or a Pep Guardiola, but in the real world, that don't mean a thing.

The black and white way your mind works is that no managers ever make mistakes. If you do think that... no wonder you sound like a robot. I'm shocked no one has accused YOU of being Doaheer. Tell me, what are your view on typos? 😛

 

Edited May 20, 2021 by Taylor1996

[Taylor1996]

6 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said:

If he was Portuguese and called Ryanio Gauldinho he'd be top of the transfer target list for those top 3 big clubs there. He may well be...

You're not wrong.

Manchester United used to say the same thing when Darren Fletcher. If he were named Fletcherinho he would be lauded as a superstar.

Even decent Brazilian footballers with a name from the Flintstones can fetch £47m (Fred)

Being in the five for goals and assists for a relegated side is mind blowing.

In his final full season with Sporting, Bruno  Fernandes got 33 goals and assists. He went for £50m.

I'm sure if Gauld was playing a top team in Portugal he'd definitely get 20+

Edited May 20, 2021 by Taylor1996

[The Black Bra]

29 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

yeh theres loads of brilliant players who are french, spanish, english etc who get left out of tournament squads. If gauld is the best player we have who gets left out our squad then its not exactly a travesty. even scotland squads in the 70s and 80s had some cracking players that never got picked for tournaments.

Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division? Also, did John McGovern not captain the European cup winning team two years in a row and never got a Scotland cap?

[mccaughey85]

1 minute ago, The Black Bra said:

Am I right in saying Andy Gray was left out of the 1978 squad despite winning Player of the year and Young player of the year in his debut season in the old English first division? Also, did John McGovern not captain the European cup winning team two years in a row and never got a Scotland cap?

yeh i think thats true, i am relatively young so i only remember 90s tournaments. mental to think a european cup winner  and an english player of the year couldnt even make the squad. imagine that happening nowadays.