Oliver McBurnie

[Burj_Alba]

18 hours ago, ProudScot said:

The poster stated McBurnie is out of his depth at this level, which is entirely proven.

I think that’s probably what people have agreed with there, which is correct. 

As I was "that poster" who said the McBurnie is out of his depth I should reply. Its not only goals and I think most people who follow Scotland realise we are not going to get a 20+ goals a season striker in the forseeable future. What I dont think McBurnie does is holds up the ball or brings other players into the game. Also in this thread somebody mentioned Steven Fletcher. Possibly too old now, but a few years ago was a perfect Scotland striker under Strachan and a great foil for the likes or Maloney and Anya. ( and he scored 50 odd PL goals too playing for the likes of Burnley and Sunderland) I have never seen that in McBurnie. Nothing against him personally but can I repeat, out of his depth at PL level, maybe international level too. 

[Taylor1996]

38 minutes ago, Burj_Alba said:

As I was "that poster" who said the McBurnie is out of his depth I should reply. Its not only goals and I think most people who follow Scotland realise we are not going to get a 20+ goals a season striker in the forseeable future. What I dont think McBurnie does is holds up the ball or brings other players into the game. Also in this thread somebody mentioned Steven Fletcher. Possibly too old now, but a few years ago was a perfect Scotland striker under Strachan and a great foil for the likes or Maloney and Anya. ( and he scored 50 odd PL goals too playing for the likes of Burnley and Sunderland) I have never seen that in McBurnie. Nothing against him personally but can I repeat, out of his depth at PL level, maybe international level too. 

Just think if we played this system when we had the likes of prime Steven Fletcher, Steven Naismith, Kenny Miller, Kris Boyd, James McFadden, Shaun Maloney, etc.

We would've had a lot more success than we did have.

[aaid]

On 3/2/2021 at 6:18 PM, ceudmilefailte said:

Iv'e been  McBurnies biggest defender on here and there's no arguing that he was a very very good championship striker.

 

I'll argue against that. 

He had one very good season with Swansea in 2018/19 where his goal return was slight better than one in 2.  By anyone's measure they are decent numbers.

He also a very good half a season on loan at Barnsley where he recorded a similar return.

Now to be fair, that season and a half is the only time he's spent in the Championship but you look at the rest of his career both before and after that 18 month period and it really is underwhelming.

January 2018-May 2019, 61 appearances 33 goals. 
Rest of professional career, 110 appearances, 17 goals

So for me, the jury is out as to whether he is as you say a very very good championship striker or if he just had an 18 month purple patch.

I get the impression that Swansea probably felt that Sheffield United paid way over the odds for him.

[mccaughey85]

2 minutes ago, aaid said:

I'll argue against that. 

He had one very good season with Swansea in 2018/19 where his goal return was slight better than one in 2.  By anyone's measure they are decent numbers.

He also a very good half a season on loan at Barnsley where he recorded a similar return.

Now to be fair, that season and a half is the only time he's spent in the Championship but you look at the rest of his career both before and after that 18 month period and it really is underwhelming.

January 2018-May 2019, 61 appearances 33 goals. 
Rest of professional career, 110 appearances, 17 goals

So for me, the jury is out as to whether he is as you say a very very good championship striker or if he just had an 18 month purple patch.

I get the impression that Swansea probably felt that Sheffield United paid way over the odds for him.

Swansea got a great deal. I doubt Sheffield United will get half of what they paid for McBurnie if they choose to sell. 

[Taylor1996]

I don't know who was in charge of recruiting at Sheffield United. Whoever it is should get fired.

Not just for the McBurnie one. They also bought Rihan Brewster for £23.4m. He hasn't scored in 20 EPL matches.

That's over £40m for two strikers that don't score. 

[ceudmilefailte]

8 minutes ago, Taylor1996 said:

I don't know who was in charge of recruiting at Sheffield United. Whoever it is should get fired.

Not just for the McBurnie one. They also bought Rihan Brewster for £23.4m. He hasn't scored in 20 EPL matches.

That's over £40m for two strikers that don't score. 

And they both get picked ahead of £10m Mousset and whatever you work out Burkes deal as.

Yep firing him looks like an idea.

[kumnio]

19 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Wilder needs to go more than any of the players. McBurnie will probably go back to Swansea when they get promoted, play in a proper formation and score 20+ goals

😂😂😂😂 fucking hell, I didn’t know you got drugs this powerful. 

[scotlad]

2 hours ago, Taylor1996 said:

I don't know who was in charge of recruiting at Sheffield United. Whoever it is should get fired.

Not just for the McBurnie one. They also bought Rihan Brewster for £23.4m. He hasn't scored in 20 EPL matches.

That's over £40m for two strikers that don't score. 

And yet they both scored freely in the Championship.

To me, that suggests two things: 1) the gulf in quality between the Championship and the Premiership is even bigger than people thought; or 2) their coaching staff aren't getting the best out of them.  Or possibly both!

Either way, considering how his team has performed this season, I'm surprised Chris Wilder still has his job.

On 3/5/2021 at 6:19 PM, kumnio said:

Shankland hasn’t had a good season, McBurnie has had a dismal season. McBurnie obviously plays at a higher level, look at transfer fees, wages, whatever you want, but I don’t really care, I only care about what happens when they play for us.

McBurnie has 14 caps, Shankland only has 3, if anyone can genuinely say that they have watched Scotland games, and thinks McBurnie has contributed more than Shankland, then they need to seek mental health care. 

You have to wonder why that is.  They both play in the same position, they're both about the same age, and yet McBurnie has nearly 5 times as many caps as Shankland (who today, yet again, failed to score, and isn't even top scorer for a team sat 8th in the table).

Save for his tap-in against San Marino, Shankland has made no impression on me.  Until he gets more game time it's impossible to say for certain whether he'd be an improvement on McBurnie but given his poor strike rate in the SPFL, and considering Clarke has frequently preferred McBurnie to him, I doubt it.

[romanticscot]

5 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

Swansea got a great deal. I doubt Sheffield United will get half of what they paid for McBurnie if they choose to sell. 

I doubt they would sell at such a loss unless his wages were an issue. They could go down( I'm being kind, they will go down), maybe get a new coach or not but he may have a great season in the Championship next year. If he does that, atleast he will atleast his confidence back. Right now for us, he is a squad player a d likely to remain that. I'm disappointed Nisbet went off the boil he atleast seemed similar but in better form to Shankland. We need Kennedy to do is a favor with Griffiths, or rather Griffiths to do himself one and get his fitness up, get some game time - if nothing else to get him in the shop window for over the summer and get a move. 

[mccaughey85]

1 hour ago, romanticscot said:

I doubt they would sell at such a loss unless his wages were an issue. They could go down( I'm being kind, they will go down), maybe get a new coach or not but he may have a great season in the Championship next year. If he does that, atleast he will atleast his confidence back. Right now for us, he is a squad player a d likely to remain that. I'm disappointed Nisbet went off the boil he atleast seemed similar but in better form to Shankland. We need Kennedy to do is a favor with Griffiths, or rather Griffiths to do himself one and get his fitness up, get some game time - if nothing else to get him in the shop window for over the summer and get a move. 

Yeh I agree, no point in making a massive loss and he will probably score goals in the championship. 

[Taylor1996]

8 hours ago, scotlad said:

And yet they both scored freely in the Championship.

To me, that suggests two things: 1) the gulf in quality between the Championship and the Premiership is even bigger than people thought; or 2) their coaching staff aren't getting the best out of them.  Or possibly both!

Either way, considering how his team has performed this season, I'm surprised Chris Wilder still has his job.

I'd actually say that it's the first. I thought that the gap was far smaller that what it is, but I suppose I was wrong.

When Sheffield United go down, and if Wilder is still in charge, McBurnir will score 20+ in the Championship. 

In fairness to Chris Wilder, Sheffield United have been incredibly unlucky this season. I've seen 90% of their matches and the amount of easy chances they've missed and the amount of one goal defeats has been incredible. 

I hope Wilder doesnt get fired as he will probably take them up next season. Brewster would benefit from a season in the Championship, same with McBurnie.

As for Burke, I'm not sure what his future holds.

[Taylor1996]

10 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said:

And they both get picked ahead of £10m Mousset and whatever you work out Burkes deal as.

Yep firing him looks like an idea.

Good point. Mousey is a better striker.

Hell, so is Sharp.

[Taylor1996]

1 hour ago, Taylor1996 said:

Good point. Mousey is a better striker.

Hell, so is Sharp.

Or rather, Mousset is.

[ProudScot]

2 hours ago, Taylor1996 said:

I'd actually say that it's the first. I thought that the gap was far smaller that what it is, but I suppose I was wrong.

When Sheffield United go down, and if Wilder is still in charge, McBurnir will score 20+ in the Championship. 

In fairness to Chris Wilder, Sheffield United have been incredibly unlucky this season. I've seen 90% of their matches and the amount of easy chances they've missed and the amount of one goal defeats has been incredible. 

I hope Wilder doesnt get fired as he will probably take them up next season. Brewster would benefit from a season in the Championship, same with McBurnie.

As for Burke, I'm not sure what his future holds.

McBurnie as the player he has become will never score over 20 goals in a league Dykes can’t get out of single figures in.

It doesn’t matter he did it a few years ago, he’s complete garbage now. 

[ceudmilefailte]

3 hours ago, ProudScot said:

McBurnie as the player he has become will never score over 20 goals in a league Dykes can’t get out of single figures in.

It doesn’t matter he did it a few years ago, he’s complete garbage now. 

Honestly think the "player he has become"is down to the formation he has been asked to play. Really hope he moves or Wilder does.

You are right though leave things as they are and he won't score 20 goals in the championship.

[Diamond Scot]

Its hardly surprising that a decent forward can score lots of goals when their team is up the top of one league comparred to being at the bottom of another.

Sergio Aguero wouldnt score goals in the EPL for Sheffield Utd. They dont create enough and the forwards are so isolated.

McBurnie can and has scored goals in the Championship. Theres no reason to suggest he wont again. 

Some players are just not suited to playing in certain types of styles. Struggling teams in the EPL and more often than not Scotland require their striker to work hard, hold the ball up, link play and pose a threat in behind. McBurnie doesnt have the pace to go in behind and he isnt great at holding the ball up. He does work hard and his link plays actually decent.

He would probably be better playing the support striker / attacking mid for us but we have many bette options.

That beinf said he should still be in the squad as he is a better footballer than Nisbet and Shankland.  

[Taylor1996]

4 hours ago, ProudScot said:

McBurnie as the player he has become will never score over 20 goals in a league Dykes can’t get out of single figures in.

It doesn’t matter he did it a few years ago, he’s complete garbage now. 

That's the thing, though, I don't think he's regressed as a player. He's not progressed, either.

We'll see how many he gets next season, but I'd be willing to bet that he gets at least 20.

[Taylor1996]

48 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Honestly think the "player he has become"is down to the formation he has been asked to play. Really hope he moves or Wilder does.

You are right though leave things as they are and he won't score 20 goals in the championship.

He actually played 16 matches in the EPL with Swansea. Scoring 0.

When he was banging the goals in with Swansea, in the Championship, they played with a lone striker (McBurnie) and sometimes he played behind the striker.

In the same year that Swansea got promoted to the EPL, Billy Sharp, a player 11 years older than McBurnie, outscored him. 

Also, Dan James looked like a young Ryan Giggs in the Championship, and yet he struggles to even trap the ball in the EPL.

[ceudmilefailte]

2 hours ago, Taylor1996 said:

He actually played 16 matches in the EPL with Swansea. Scoring 0.

When he was banging the goals in with Swansea, in the Championship, they played with a lone striker (McBurnie) and sometimes he played behind the striker.

In the same year that Swansea got promoted to the EPL, Billy Sharp, a player 11 years older than McBurnie, outscored him. 

Also, Dan James looked like a young Ryan Giggs in the Championship, and yet he struggles to even trap the ball in the EPL.

Would make an interesting trivia question, name the last five Scottish strikers to appear in the EPL before turning 21.

Was actually hoping he was a teenager but he missed that by a few weeks.

 

[aaid]

On 3/7/2021 at 12:45 PM, ProudScot said:

Everyone thinks Fletcher would be better. 

Given the goals and performances over the course of this season you’d expect Clarke also is aware of this 

Did Gibraltar qualify for the finals as well?

 

[ProudScot]

26 minutes ago, aaid said:

Did Gibraltar qualify for the finals as well?

 

If they did I doubt McBurnie could score against them 

[Taylor1996]

7 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Would make an interesting trivia question, name the last five Scottish strikers to appear in the EPL before turning 21.

Was actually hoping he was a teenager but he missed that by a few weeks.

 

It would. I doubt I'd get it.

lol. It's that always the way. 😛

 

[ceudmilefailte]

2 minutes ago, Taylor1996 said:

It would. I doubt I'd get it.

lol. It's that always the way. 😛

 

Doubt if there is a correct  answer.

[Taylor1996]

4 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Doubt if there is a correct  answer.

I'm sure Duncan Ferguson only had one season at Rangers, because of... you know. I think he was older than 21, though.

[colins96]

The new Kenny Miller 

Get him axed