weekevie04 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I think he has really come on to a game of late. I really like the lad, and its obvious it means a lot to him playing for us. I feared after the Russian and Belgian games, he probably wasn't good enough for that step up, but he's certainly proved his worth the unbeaten run and IMO, he's a better option than Palmer and O'Donnell is our natural right back. He has better ball distribution, quicker thinking on the ball too. Well done that man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I'm not his biggest fan but he's doing enough to keep me quiet for now. Long may is continue. I still think it is our weakest position. Forward isn't far behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 agreed. he's been much more than adequate. he's still the number one right back for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I think he is proving himself a far better wing back than he was a right back. In fact Gallagher looks a far better center back in the middle of a back three. Perhaps Motherwell could do us a favour and start playing 3/5/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, weekevie04 said: I think he has really come on to a game of late. I really like the lad, and its obvious it means a lot to him playing for us. I feared after the Russian and Belgian games, he probably wasn't good enough for that step up, but he's certainly proved his worth the unbeaten run and IMO, he's a better option than Palmer and O'Donnell is our natural right back. He has better ball distribution, quicker thinking on the ball too. Well done that man! He was superb against Serbia. I know that it's human nature to criticise, but I think we should all back every single player that gets called up. I've never been one to diss a Scotland player. 24 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: In fact Gallagher looks a far better center back in the middle of a back three. That's what I kept saying to justify why we're more suited in a back three: strength in numbers, gaps being plugged and mistakes being dealt with by their partners. Same reason why Considine has done well. Add McKenna, Tierney, McTominay and Cooper to the mix, too. Go through previous Scotland squads, look at the center backs, and just imagine how more solid we would've been in a back three. And the tournaments that we legitimately could've qualified for. I wasn't saying it for my health. I'm dreading Steve Clarke leaving, as you just know that the new manager will go back to a back four and reset everything. Not that I'm looking too far ahead or anything... Edited November 16, 2020 by Taylor1996 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, Taylor1996 said: Same reason why Considine has done well. I don't think Considine has done much, I wouldn't say he offers much in getting the ball forward in the way that McTominay and Tierney do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: I don't think Considine has done much, I wouldn't say he offers much in getting the ball forward in the way that McTominay and Tierney do. I'd agree with that. Defending is his game not really passing but he's not let us down so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 O'Donnell has been so solid for us recently. I was also in the camp that thought he wasn't cut out for this level of football but so glad he's helped us out. I find Palmer a better attacking option particularly with his delivery. The point still stands, O'Donnell is an absolute hero, along with the rest of the players to a man on Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 he is far better than Palmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideothenorth Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Think he was very nervy in his first few games for us but has improved with experience, as for distribution not alot between him and Palmer although Palmer was a bit wasteful yesterday. His best game was definitely v Serbia so hopefully he keeps it going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Return of Yermaw said: he is far better than Palmer. Palmer might have been better with McTominay behind and Jack along side, but the shirt is O'Donnels to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 O’Donnell has been better in closed door games. Hardly surprising! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Palmer didn't do much wrong at all yesterday. It wasn't like Slovakia were constantly attacking down his flank and he couldn't cope. He certainly can't be blamed for the goal but O'Donnell is our No 1 right-back at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 14 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: I don't think Considine has done much, I wouldn't say he offers much in getting the ball forward in the way that McTominay and Tierney do. Well, I'm not saying that he's the new Colon Hendry (another player who got called up late in his career) or anything, but he'll be a decent backup behind: McTominay, Tierney, Gallagher, Collins and McKenna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Taylor1996 said: Well, I'm not saying that he's the new Colon Hendry (another player who got called up late in his career) or anything, but he'll be a decent backup behind: McTominay, Tierney, Gallagher, Collins and McKenna. Colon Hendry? He's an arsehole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, killiefaetheferry said: Colon Hendry? He's an arsehole. I see what you did there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Hopefully O'Donnell and Gallagher will stay put at Motherwell in January (not just saying that as a Well fan.... well I am a bit...a big bit to be honest). A move, if they don't settle at a new club, could cost them their chance of playing at a major finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 OMG I hope SOD has a good game tomorrow now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, Och Aye said: Hopefully O'Donnell and Gallagher will stay put at Motherwell in January (not just saying that as a Well fan.... well I am a bit...a big bit to be honest). A move, if they don't settle at a new club, could cost them their chance of playing at a major finals. I agree with that. A move to say either of the Old Firm clubs runs the risk of them being used as squad players and bench-warming more than playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said: Colon Hendry? He's an arsehole. I know. I know. Samsung autocorrect did the same a few days ago, but this time I didn't catch it. D'oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 3:39 PM, Return of Yermaw said: he is far better than Palmer. I think far better might be pushing it a wee bit. Both are of a similar standard I think with O’Donnell just edging it at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Sadly when we get to the finals I think our lack of quality in some positions (right back and forward) will be exposed. Hope I’m proven wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Sadly when we get to the finals I think our lack of quality in some positions (right back and forward) will be exposed. Hope I’m proven wrong. No you are spot on. In any sport weaknesses will get exposed at the highest level. It is inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Sadly when we get to the finals I think our lack of quality in some positions (right back and forward) will be exposed. Hope I’m proven wrong. I know it doesn't sound right but in a 3/5/2 formation the apparent quality of the out and out striker as a finisher is not that important. Even the amount of assists by said striker is not that important. His purpose is to ensure the ball stays in the opponents half as much as possible which will lead to a lot more chances than if the ball was in our own half. That's not just "hold up " play but every time you win the ball in the air it is pretty much the same as a tackle. And our two stronger forward can also tackle on the ground and regain possession by defending set pieces. The formation is reliant on the wing backs, attacking midfield player and who ever plays as the supporting striker. I think it's pretty obvious that this formation will never lead to many goals by our record so far. O'Donnell seems to be a far better wing back than he ever was a right back so I don't see why we cant be "stuffy" opposition against teams with better players than us. Hate to say it, but I think some one (don't own up to it makes you look evil) might have been right when he said if you don't have enough decent players in each position to play a back four play a back three. Three average center backs are better than two, a shitty right wing is back better than a shitty right back , a great left back can make a very good wing back. Two defensive midfielders that can defend further up the pitch because your non scoring striker can keep the ball over the half way line. Technically speaking the next two places are really two attacking midfielders witch are pretty much allowed to do as they please. Lot of reasons why we haven't been scoring or letting in goals of late. There was nothing wrong with the performance against Slovakia, they scored we didn't that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) On 11/17/2020 at 8:48 AM, Caledonian Craig said: I agree with that. A move to say either of the Old Firm clubs runs the risk of them being used as squad players and bench-warming more than playing. I doubt either end up Rangers. Both are big Celtic fans, O' Donnell wouldn't start over Tavernier (& it would block Patterson s pathway) and Gallagher while being a good defender, doesn't suit the way Rangers play. I could see O'Donnell ending up at Celtic, they need a RB as Frimpong has been massively overplayed and hasn't been given a rest all season. If I'm them I'd see out the season with Motherwell, go to the euros with Scotland and put yourself in a bigger shop window. Both would be out of contract and could get a few decent teams interested and demand a good wage if they perform well. Edited November 18, 2020 by Blantyre_Braveheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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