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12 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Feeling a slight shift at the moment and see the snp falling a few percentage points at the next polling, all relating to covid, folk are getting scunnert  

New poll from Survation released today - fieldwork 2-7 September - which isn't showing that and is consistent with other poll showed, ie, majority support for both the SNP and Yes.

Only note of interest is that it seems Labour might have snuck into second place, however that's not because of any increase in support for them but rather that the Tory support is declining so rapidly. 

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I cant believe that anyone who is serious about Scottish Independence would trust a Labour party with a sudden crisis of conscience . The only way they will soften on independance is if they are des

I genuinely think this kind of crap will put people off the SNP. Tokenist pist.

If anybody is using that to decide which party to vote for, they might be restricting themselves to just the Tories. Libdems are currently using them (they change their mind about them regularly) and

52 minutes ago, aaid said:

New poll from Survation released today - fieldwork 2-7 September - which isn't showing that and is consistent with other poll showed, ie, majority support for both the SNP and Yes.

Only note of interest is that it seems Labour might have snuck into second place, however that's not because of any increase in support for them but rather that the Tory support is declining so rapidly. 

Just seen that, anecdotal take from me that there is some frustration building up now. Great polling for the snp thereis no denying that

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1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Just seen that, anecdotal take from me that there is some frustration building up now. Great polling for the snp thereis no denying that

It's not surprising that people are frustrated with regards to COVID, how much people blame the government for that directly and the impact that might have on voting intention - particularly when you consider their alternatives - remains to be seen.  

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Based on what I am hearing from people I know, covid has been, and still is, the thing that is making people swing behind the SNP. I honestly cannot believe the changes in the attitude of friends and family who have previously really disliked Nicola Sturgeon.  My sister is a nurse, my closest friend works in 2 care homes and another friend in a funeral directors. None of them liked her. All thought she was a nippy sweetie and never shut up about independence. 
I was out with them a couple of weeks ago and they have all completely changed their opinion of her mainly based on her daily briefings. 
Was in St Andrews the other day and sitting outside having lunch. Table next to us were 4 women talking pretty loudly and the subject moved onto Nicola Sturgeon. Exact same thing. One of them said she voted No last time but between Brexit and how NS has conducted  herself during this, that she was visible and showed empathy, she had changed her mind and next time she would vote Yes . Was out with a no voting friend yesterday who admitted she would never have voted for independence. She said next time she would be taking it more seriously due to NS . 

I know these are only anecdotal examples, and you can argue whether or not she is actually doing as great a job as she is being given credit for, but I do think there is a degree of this being replicated across the country. People need to feel they can trust the person in charge at a time like this, not everyone is super confident, and she appears to be a calming influence. It  probably also explains the BBC’s decision to stop broadcasting all of the FM’s daily briefing.   

I agree with Loon though that this goodwill will probably only last so long and what happens next will probably determine if the SNP/YES hold onto the newfound support. 

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We could all get out a pen and paper make out lists for independence and for remaining in the union and I am adamant the former would be a far longer list than the latter especially now that there is an incompetent PM at Westminster with a corrupt Tory government. I'd hazard a guess that even your most staunch union would only bolster their list by the same old peddled lies from 2014.

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18 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

Based on what I am hearing from people I know, covid has been, and still is, the thing that is making people swing behind the SNP. I honestly cannot believe the changes in the attitude of friends and family who have previously really disliked Nicola Sturgeon.  My sister is a nurse, my closest friend works in 2 care homes and another friend in a funeral directors. None of them liked her. All thought she was a nippy sweetie and never shut up about independence. 
I was out with them a couple of weeks ago and they have all completely changed their opinion of her mainly based on her daily briefings. 
Was in St Andrews the other day and sitting outside having lunch. Table next to us were 4 women talking pretty loudly and the subject moved onto Nicola Sturgeon. Exact same thing. One of them said she voted No last time but between Brexit and how NS has conducted  herself during this, that she was visible and showed empathy, she had changed her mind and next time she would vote Yes . Was out with a no voting friend yesterday who admitted she would never have voted for independence. She said next time she would be taking it more seriously due to NS . 

I know these are only anecdotal examples, and you can argue whether or not she is actually doing as great a job as she is being given credit for, but I do think there is a degree of this being replicated across the country. People need to feel they can trust the person in charge at a time like this, not everyone is super confident, and she appears to be a calming influence. It  probably also explains the BBC’s decision to stop broadcasting all of the FM’s daily briefing.   

I agree with Loon though that this goodwill will probably only last so long and what happens next will probably determine if the SNP/YES hold onto the newfound support. 

Pretty much spot on,  A significant part of folks decision making When voting is based on trust. The daily briefings has given sturgeon the platform to build up that trust, i hope she does not wreck the trust within the electorate  

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I think Covid has helped possibly some of Sturgeon's harshest critics see she's night and day ahead of Johnson when it comes to crisis management and running affairs, or dealing with a pandemic. I know she has her critics, she has enough of them in the SNP never mind the ''that woman,'' or ''Krankie'' mad bastards online ; but with something as serious as Covid, I think its opened a fair amount of people's eyes and comparing it to the absolute shambles Johnson's press conferences and general leadership has been, has helped swing a few over to the SNP.

I noticed a swing to Yes probably about a year ago or so. People who voted Yes were just as adamant, and the soft Yessers were now absolutely whilst the few Nos I knew were reconsidering and certainly less harsh on the thought of it or the SNP.

Still, we've got six months or more to go and who knows. We are a very odd bunch, and I have no idea how the handling of the students and the current new Covid restrictions how people will react to them.

The SNP are losing a lot of big hitters too. I wonder how much of a personal vote Roseanna Cunningham, Mike Russell, Alex Neil etc had in their constituencies.

Douglas Ross will not come across well. He might for a few fishermen in Moray and Banff ; but the central belt, west coast and rest of Scotland, folk will see him for the wee naff he is, so I don't think Sturgeon has anything to worry about in the debates.

There's an ever so slightly softening on the Tories stance, the bigwigs are still saying we had a vote in 2014 etc, but a few backbenchers and previous ministers are now openly admitting if the SNP win a majority, a second referendum cannot be refused. So the key is if the SNP get a majority or with the Greens for the 2021 election.

A long way to go and Covid will dominate the news in to next year as well.

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13 hours ago, weekevie04 said:

I think Covid has helped possibly some of Sturgeon's harshest critics see she's night and day ahead of Johnson when it comes to crisis management and running affairs, or dealing with a pandemic. I know she has her critics, she has enough of them in the SNP never mind the ''that woman,'' or ''Krankie'' mad bastards online ; but with something as serious as Covid, I think its opened a fair amount of people's eyes and comparing it to the absolute shambles Johnson's press conferences and general leadership has been, has helped swing a few over to the SNP.

I noticed a swing to Yes probably about a year ago or so. People who voted Yes were just as adamant, and the soft Yessers were now absolutely whilst the few Nos I knew were reconsidering and certainly less harsh on the thought of it or the SNP.

Still, we've got six months or more to go and who knows. We are a very odd bunch, and I have no idea how the handling of the students and the current new Covid restrictions how people will react to them.

The SNP are losing a lot of big hitters too. I wonder how much of a personal vote Roseanna Cunningham, Mike Russell, Alex Neil etc had in their constituencies.

Douglas Ross will not come across well. He might for a few fishermen in Moray and Banff ; but the central belt, west coast and rest of Scotland, folk will see him for the wee naff he is, so I don't think Sturgeon has anything to worry about in the debates.

There's an ever so slightly softening on the Tories stance, the bigwigs are still saying we had a vote in 2014 etc, but a few backbenchers and previous ministers are now openly admitting if the SNP win a majority, a second referendum cannot be refused. So the key is if the SNP get a majority or with the Greens for the 2021 election.

A long way to go and Covid will dominate the news in to next year as well.

Well lets be honest here the Tories were never a major political force in Scotland. They like to project this image that they are but they haven't been the biggest party in Scotland for three generations. What with their double dealing on Brexit and mis-management of Brexit I'd be gobsmacked if people still feel they can be trusted. Labour have seen their support evaporate quickly in the last ten years - a route back for them in Scotland? Well a start may be if they were to be far more flexible on Scottish Independence issue but I cannot see that happening so they will continue to blow their own foot off with a sawn-off shotgun.

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